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While I'm certainly not disagreeing with anything you wrote, if one's goal as a newcomer is to get berated by a clique, I'd say the biggest offender has gotta be Stack Overflow.
I'm not saying they're not valuable, I often find great answers on there, but the only time I'm on there is after following links from Google--I've actually given up on the idea of posting anything there myself. And this is coming from someone who's been on the net since '93 or so.
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I think he's saying SO is pretty bad on that front and now CP is heading in that direction.
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Could be. And if that's the case, then everybody needs to read Bill's warning.
[Edit] ...and to be honest, I hadn't read Bill's post from top to bottom, and hadn't realized (until just now) that he actually called out SO by name. I think I rest my case--he said it better than I could.
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Knock[^]
knock
Knock
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I agree with you... and stated this already more than one time.... in Lounge and also in B&S
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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I just don't get it. As a community, why do we even accept this behavior from our members? I'm not talking about the member asking the basic programming question, but the ones wasting their time commenting (off topic!) about it?
If a question is something you don't want to answer, then, well, don't answer it.
It is obvious to me that the reason we're getting members insulting and down-voting basic programming questions, is that they don't think we, as a community, should be bothering with answering such questions.
I agree that we shouldn't be answering such questions as if they were posed by colleagues, but instead, that we should be answering those questions as if we were mentoring new initiates. This suggests that we need to have a separate forum for such questions where expectations are set appropriately for both sides.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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patbob wrote: I agree that we shouldn't be answering such questions as if they were posed by colleagues, but instead, that we should be answering those questions as if we were mentoring new initiates. This suggests that we need to have a separate forum for such questions where expectations are set appropriately for both sides.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Have a separate forum for beginners with a set code-of-conduct to encourage them, not belittle them. It's hard enough to be a beginner trying to learn then to also have to deal with disrespect.
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone - Bjarne Stroustrup
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke!
My code has no bugs, it runs exactly as it was written.
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Sergey! It's been Sergey! Not me!! Sergey is the one impugning and scorning CP's simpletons.
Let's pray for Sergey to get better. Prayer will change Sergey. We can heal Sergey. Let's pray. Let's make Sergey better together. We can do it!
I feel so redeemed now.
Remain Calm & Continue To Google
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Dear fellow Loungers,
I have always wondered: Why does extreme popping always end up in stack underflow?
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Sounds like you need to see a doctor about that.
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I did, but he tried to shift my register. 
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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You may need to take a class in pop locking.
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I just received this helpful advice from Detective Mark Anderson - I'm so glad he's looking out for me!
Attention, We contacted you some time ago after the discovery and report contained in this email regarding scams you may have been into or still going through from impostors in West Africa that sends out thousands of scam emails daily looking for foreigners to rip off imposing offices and personals here but you did not reply or the emailwas not delivered, we are writing again to let you know that those impostors and fraudsters who have been sending you scam email all have your email and other info on their files and that is why you have been receiving all kinds of scam email, some group of impostors caught ripping foreigners off from a local cyber cafe in Lagos Nigeria,Cotonou Benin republic and Accra Ghana confessed imposing Banks/Delivery Company/EFCC/IMF/FBI/Western Union/Money gram/DiplomatAgents/ and others imposed offices around the globe especially in WestAfrica and your info is with them, we were told they have requested money after money for acquiring never existing and fake documents from most of their victims. The Current corruption and illegal cyber crime activity mainly from Africa actually in daily practice now literally overruns Europe, America and Asia massively. Such evil finally blocks all efforts to create a trustworthy climate for internet Transactions. So many people are threatened , lied unto and ripped off from their very last little money , until they have not left anything.As recently shown on European television with hidden camera there were entire Internet SCAM cafes in Lagos , Nigeria where people were occupied with illegal Internet crime activities individually or even in groups in particular betraying naive Europeans and Americans. They even had developed in their language a wordily expression, a nickname for in their eyes at least stupid Americans or even more stupid Europeans to ridicule andlaugh about them when they again succeeded to betray and trick someone out. Then they found themselves complete heroes. and were dancingand laughing about their victims in the public streets enjoying This notice is from the Cyber Crime Commission Department of the Economical and Financial Crimes,the people you are dealing with and sending you all sort of emails are all impostors operating from different part of Africa, they only want your money and they are the same people but write you differently and that is why you may have been receiving a lot of email daily and you are confused because you don't know the truth, you find it very easy sending your information to any emails claiming they have fund approved in your name and you have not made true inquiry before you start dealing with them and as a result your info is on the internet and that gives these fraudsters easy access to flood your email box with scams,they are not what and never who they claim and I don't know how long you have been dealing with them or responding to them but you can not blame any real Bank in West Africa or any personnel here, these impostors impose them and scam thousands of foreigners but you end up blaming these real office I ask, have you been able to find out why you receive all kinds of emails daily claiming it have funds for you here and there? Have you really inquired from the right office in West Africa to know if there is actually any true approved fund you have here? if there is any fund awarded in your name at all? Or do you believe anybody that contacts you and says they have fund for you? recent report from the Internet Scam Investigation Dept revealed that 78% of internet crimes in Africa is being carried out by jobless youths in West Africa (issue on unemployment rate in West Africa) authorities are working hard to eradicate internet scams in West Africa to protect the image of this continent,it was also revealed that these fraudsters has partners working with them all over the World, so it is all over the World. Therefore you are advised to contact the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) to make inquiry and know if you are among the compensated or if you have any approved fund held be it compensation fund/contract/inheritance/winnings make your inquiry first from the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) contact Dr Ademola Murphy on the below email:- Dr Ademola Murphy Head of Operations,, Debt Settlement Commission 3rd Floor, House, 1,Zambezi Crescent, Street, E-mail: murphymola01@gmail.com Note: to avoid any unnecessary delays in attending to your matter, please use your case file (ASB7154-006) when you contact Dr Ademola Murphy head of operation AMCON.Also you are advised to report any email you receive that claims to have funds for you to this office.the only office you should contact and know the truth if you have any true fund approved here or if you are among the compensated beneficiaries is the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON). Detective Mark Anderson.
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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You can tell the email is from Africa, because there's no white space.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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50% genius, 50% terrible 
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This is so terrible, so wrong, that I like it a lot!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
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I call 'em like I see 'em.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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For this installment of PBOTW (Pete's Book Of The Whatever[^]), I'd like to reintroduce you to an old favourite, or introduce you to it for the first time if you are unaware of this book. The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering / Edition 2 by Frederick P. Brooks Jr.[^]. This is not a modern book, by any standards, but it had a profound impact on the way I viewed the estimation process. The essays in this book are generally still as relevant today as the day they were first written, which shows how little has really changed in the software development world from a day to day development point of view.
In a nutshell, the main essay looks at the diminishing returns you get when throwing resources at a problem. So, if it takes one man a month to solve a problem, throwing two people at the same problem won't get it done in half a month. Strangely enough, many managers still fail to grasp this simple concept.
This space for rent
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Does it also cover the modern management paradigm: "If it takes ten men ten months to produce something, and I fire half of them, it'll be done in half the time"?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Also, "If I outsource the work this[^] no longer applies & I can slash costs"
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My old bosses should have read this book. Perhaps then they finally would realize why they stumble from one 'success' to the next, why their customers will soon stand in front of their doors with torches and pitchforks and why it is too late for them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I first read it when it was brand spanking new, mid 70s I guess. Reread it every year or two. As you say, timeless.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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An excellent read. I also found "Managing the Software Process" by Watts Humphrey influenced my thinking about estimating software development tasks very useful. In particular when estimating at earlier stages of the development cycle as compared to later when specific tasks are more concrete and understood.
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