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Sure, but the ones who (in English, we say "take the piss") exploit the system cost less than peanuts, compared to every other expense of government -- the amount of time and money spent on discussing and attacking them exceeds what they cost by an order of magnitude.
Just let 'em get on with it. They'll be happier (living a life that suits their sensibilities, but you and I would never want to live), and you'll be happier (without the stress of getting angry about something that costs virtually nothing). Everyone wins.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: n English, we say
Ha!
That wasn't a dig!
I haven't lived in the UK for over fifteen years, so saying "in English, we say" has become something of a habit.
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Give 'em an inch...
I have a zero-tolerance outlook on a lot of things. I do it right, and I think everyone else should, too.
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That's the problem.
Not everyone is wired like us, and able to get the "9 to 5" mentality, where you work for whatever hours to build a life according to the tenets of the society we believe in.
Their way wouldn't work for me -- get up at 10, play with the kids, do whatever, do some more whatever, etc, but I have to accept that the society we live in was imposed on us, and we live according to its structures because we were brought up to do so.
I mean, I'm a contractor, and you've had at least three jobs, since I've known you, so we both know what being unemployed is like, and I'm pretty sure that you hate it as much as I do, but not everyone's brain is wired the same way as ours are, and I'm not sure we should treat them badly because of it.
After all, if you're not wired up to live the way our current society demands, WTF can you do? If the only way to make a living is to follow the rules that you and I are happy with, then people that aren't happy with that are pretty much screwed, and can only sink to the bottom (of Our society).
As to whether our way of living or theirs is right, there's no answer, because there is no right; there's only "live until you die", and if that means "treat people who don't want to live the same life you live like cr@p", then I'll go for option F.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: From "NYC National Lotto" declaring that my email address was randomly selected and I won $5.2 million. No file attachment, but wanted some personal info.
Send this back:
Sir,
I am so exicted to learn that I have won. Since you already have my email, please keep the $200,000 and send me a cashiers check for the remaining $5 million.
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i got one pertaining to be Itunes about my netflix subscription. I hovered over the link to see if it was from apple it was not! It looked like Itunes, but it came to the the wrong email not my email associated with Itunes!!
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It's been a while that I'm pondering over the question.
On one hand inserting each time the CC details means exposing myself to Man In the Middle attacks or keyloggers/spyware on my PC.
On the other hand it is way more probable that a site or a client (I'm thinking about Steam client for example) get hacked and their database stolen. Do I know how they store my details? They have to use them to make the payment so they must be in a retrievable format (encrypted at best, for sure not hashed) so it is a certainty that my CC details could be decrypted and used.
Since I don't use public computers or Internet cafès anymore I switched definetely to inserting them every time - it also serves as a time buffer to change my mind and save money  . I know my PC and how I manage it and I'm a bit paranoid on security so I don't really think I'm in a big risk this way...
What do you think about it?
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den2k88 wrote: Saving credit card details on sites or not?
Not 
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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I'm lazy so if I think it's safe then I'll save them. Usually still need to enter the cvv number [though not always].
Dave
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den2k88 wrote: Do I know how they store my details?
Do you want to know how sausages are made?
Just iDeal them the money, or whatever your local equivalent is called.
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harold aptroot wrote: Do you want to know how sausages are made?
I'm quite aware of how they're made - I work for food industries on their machinery! I still like them, food is food. I also made them at home, living in the countryside has its benefits.
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Saving credit card details is rare as it involves complying with a lot of legislation. Just because a site can remember your details that doesn't mean it is saving them (encrypted or not). Many payment providers support the tokenisation of payment details, so let's say I enter my card number, expiry date etc, when the site instigates the payment with the payment gateway it indicates that it wants to token the details, and the site is returned a token...usually a guid...and that guid is stored against your account. The next time you pay the site sends that guid to the provider and the provider retrieves the details and uses them. So it is the payment provider that stores your details, not the site itself, it just stores a token.
Second of all the three digit check number (whatever you want to call it). It is against banking guidelines to store this number, if you need to use it you have to ask the client every time and that is added protection for the client but it means still having to enter your check number each time, but I think a lot of people know that off by heart (well, I do) so not much of an inconvenience. However you'll note that Amazon doesn't ask for your check digit, the reason being it isn't actually mandatory. If you want to use the check number to provide your clients with more security you can, but if you want to forgoe it you can do that too.
To sum up....if the site tokenises your details then choosing to have them remembered is more secure as it protects you from man in the middle attacks. If the site stores your details in an encrypted form you might not want to store them. How will you know which method the site uses? You don't. But if it's a fairly small site you can be pretty sure they use tokenised payments. If it's a massive multinational company then they might be storing your details in an encrypted form.
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Very nicely put!
I'd disagree with the last bit though: if it's a really small site they are probably stored in clear text. Go look at what some of the morons in QA are playing with and you'll see what I mean.  #
That's one of the reasons I prefer paying with PayPal - I'm pretty sure they are solid, and they don't share financial details with the online store I'm buying from, just the delivery address and so forth.
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Have to admit if it's a site I've never really heard of or well known, and something I'm buying as a one-off I'll use PayPal for pretty much those reasons, I trust PayPal more than some random site. I've even paid more money for something from Amazon than an independent site because I trust Amazon. With all these hacks and data leaks I'm definitely more cautious about who I deal with and how.
Now excuse me while I look at these files HMRC have sent me, apparently I have "errors an your tax rebate".
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Thank you a lot for your excellent explanation. Unluckily EVERY site that asked me my details saved the three digits code also, I wouldn't have problems otherwise.
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Never on a site that has anything to do with computer equipment or software. Too many of those guys are too sure of themselves, and we all know what pride comes before, don't we*?
* "Pridian", so so pride is so the day before yesterday!
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den2k88 wrote: ...so they must be in a retrievable format (encrypted at best, for sure not hashed) so it is a certainty that my CC details could be decrypted and used.
Not necessarily. Sites these days are not storing CC details, but simply store a transaction ID instead.
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My bank (Bank of America) has the ShopSafe feature, where they will create a virtual Visa card for you on demand and online, that is good for one transaction and the amount you specify. This is great for online payments, because you never use your real credit card online.
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Do trees find Spring to be a real releaf?
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I see you're finally branching out - a budding genus rooted in punditry!
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Who planted that joke in your head?
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Ah, grow up, will you... 
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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The circle of leaf?
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Have you considered pollen the Lounge users to seed what they think of these remarks? Find out if they're furrow against the posts? While some may enjoy them, it's possible that others find them really irrigating. There's not mulch else to say; just bee cautious.
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