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You're so damn ignorant and wrong it's almost not KSS in and of itself.
You do know that when farmers by non-Mansanto hybrid seeds that the seeds they get from their crop will not breed true (as in the case of all hybrids) - and so the difference is moot. Why aren't you complaining about hybrid seed, as well?
No one buy's Monsanto's seed, unless they get a financial advantage from it. Just remember, corn that kills corn-borers (with the same pesticide, internally, as organic farmers use) and requires no spraying toxins into the environment is really a big plus. Even a third-world farmer would benefit as he gets a larger crop and doesn't have to put out money for sprays and doesn't have to poison him/her self and family in the process.
As for the bees, they're suffering for several reasons. Not just a parasitic disease going around. There are vast areas where there's only a single crop. When they're in bloom, the bees can feast - but then they're all out of bloom for the rest of the summer - and starvation is the rule for the hive. Unfortunately, farming at the level of many small fields of diverse crops would so reduce the food supply as to initiate world-wide starvation as the production of food drops.
Basically, like it or not, GMO's are the only way to improve productivity without requiring more land (such as chopping down the rain forests). Another alternative would be for you to give up your animal-burgers so the food isn't wasted fattening them up. Other (more traditional) options are war and pestilence. Myself? I opt for the science that will feed the planet with more and better food.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: GMO's are the only way to improve productivity
Monsanto's got you hooked too. You should do some research first. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Not really - and I looked into this quite a bit. Genetically modifying plants is essential for survival of the human race. This is the state of affairs because the last big breakthrough, which would have been in time to mitigate this need: easy and effective birth control - didn't really catch on where it was needed most. So, a couple or three billion additional humans later, the planet is seriously elephanted.
I've been against burning carbonaceous fossil fuels even when oil was US$3/barrel. It's to valuable a raw material to burn (then and now). I'm not particularly on board with any group. For example, I'm a vegetarian for 45 years - but consider PETA a bunch of a$$hole$.
The question I always ask - and never receive a valid response for - is an alternative to GMO.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it's a lot of fear-mongering that has put unfounded fears and conspiracies into the justifications. Now, prove them wrong. But even if you do, those espousing them will simply call it a cover-up.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Genetically modifying plants is essential for survival of the human race.
Not sure why you believe that.
W∴ Balboos wrote: and never receive a valid response for - is an alternative to GMO.
Never had this discussion with you, but the easy answer is to leave it alone.
GMO is not the evil part of all this, it's Monsanto. They are the devil. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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No you listen to me. Of course Monsanto corn is financially advantageous when the natural ecosystem is destroyed to grow real corn. They are using drones to catch farmers saving and replanting their own god damn seeds.  Monsanto corn allows farmers to spray round up and kill Everyting except the Frankenstein corn so in a generation proper farming techniques will be forgotten.
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There's no one so self-righteous and assured as an igroramous.
You'll figure it out if you ever manage to remove the aluminum foil hat you're so fond of.*
* In the mean time, look into BASF's vast and well trained nematode army, unleashed to bring the agricultural world to its knees.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I think you even know WHAT call EVERYTHING a conspiracy thing you are missing YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THIS CAME FROM when it wasn't even propaganda yesterday had didn't even have an example you have no idea
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No, you listen to me. It's actually aliens who are manipulating our minds to plant the wrong kinds of seeds that don't grow enough food and when we all die of starvation then they will move in a plant their GM seeds to repopulate the earth with healthy crops that they can then sell for profit on the galactic markets! Yeah, that's it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I opt for the science that will feed the planet with more and better food.
Let me preface this comment with: I agree with you.
However, I also understand the concern of all the 'doomcriers' out there, screaming about how GMOs are going to kill us all. They're probably screaming a bit too loudly, but we certainly haven't been using GMOs for long enough to say for certain that they won't cause any long term damage to the human race.
Personally, I doubt that they will. There really isn't that much difference between GMOs manufactured in a lab, and those created traditionally through selective breeding. I just hope the scientists haven't overlooked something important about GMOs that nature already takes care of...
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Easter celebrates Christ's rising from the dead. Not only was he not dead but he wasn't on the cross either.
Just sayin' 's all... 
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: was he not dead
F-ES Sitecore wrote: Christ's rising from the dead
Wait, what? 
Ok, so I guess that was two days ago. On the good Friday (although most Fridays are pretty good to me)
I guess having a dead man on a stick makes every day just that little bit better 
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Sander Rossel wrote: probably something morbid again
How can eggs represent anything morbid? It's about new life, innit! That and the fact that Lent's over and you can actually have an egg for brekkie again! Nom, nom!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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How can a GOOD Friday be morbid? It's almost weekend and it's particularly good or we wouldn't be calling it GOOD Friday. Yet it's about a dead man on a stick. I call that somewhat morbid
If you'd check out some "egg factories" you might agree that eggs are actually pretty morbid as well 
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Well, technically he's not dead on the stick. When he's dead they take him off the stick. And technically it's not a man ... well, not just a man anyway, at least to those responsible for naming it Good Friday. If it was just any old man and any old crucifixion (the Romans got through thousands of them in their time) then that would be morbid. But if you share the vision of this particular crucifixion, like Karl Barth, as the 'death which is the death of death', the eternal event in which 'the radical and inexorable claim of God upon men triumphed and believe that 'the life which springs from [that] death is wholly pre-eminent over the life which engenders death and is enclosed by it', then how can it be anything other than Good? It is the very antithesis of morbid for it is an invitation to throw off every concern, every fear, and every uncertainty about death in the knowledge that it is death itself that is dead and buried and stripped of all dominion.
Of course, if you don't share that vision then, yeah, it's a man dying on a stick. It's just not a stick that you can beat Christianity with without looking like a petty reductionist.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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9082365 wrote: death which is the death of death
I think we've sinned more than enough to bring death to life again
9082365 wrote: It's just not a stick that you can beat Christianity with without looking like a petty reductionist.
Still pretty funny though
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Man was created to resolve the prehistoric Angelic Conflict. After The devil sinned and was sentenced to the Lake of Fire, he appealed the decision. A man and a woman were created as witnesses for the Devil's Appeal Trial. Adam and his wife Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden to live in a beautiful paradise on a perpetual honeymoon. They were allowed to freely eat of the fruit of all the trees in the Garden except the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.The Lord Jesus Christ made salvation possible. He was came to earth from God and paid for the sins of the world on the Cross. When Jesus Christ was crucified, everyone's sins were judged in Him. That means that everyone's sins are paid for and the door is wide open for salvation. Salvation is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ.
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regerteast wrote: Salvation is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ
Then I choose eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell. Except that I don't believe in any of that
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Sander Rossel wrote: Except that I don't believe in any of that
Unfortunate for you, belief does not dictate fact.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Quote: Unfortunate for you, belief does not dictate fact.
Neither does faith, fortunately!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: Neither does faith
Exactly true. You cannot have faith and knowledge of the same thing. They don't coexist. So?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Probably pretty much in the same way that Christians (or any theist) believes their God(s) do exist.
We can't really prove each other wrong.
I will say this though, IF there is a God and IF he is almighty he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other and ruining the world like we do (and often in his name too) 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Nope. Facts can be proven. You believe that God does not exist.
Sander Rossel wrote: We can't really prove each other wrong
Sort of. I can give you steps to find out for yourself if God is real. But really, this is a soapbox discussion.
Sander Rossel wrote: he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
Well, I don't think God does anything since he does not exist, but if he does and he is omnipotent then why are we fighting and killing each other (currently in the Middle East, for example)? Surely he knew this would happen, or he made it happen, and he does nothing to stop it.
As Epicurus said:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
RyanDev wrote: Nope. Facts can be proven.
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence (which is fine by the way, to each his own) 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
Sander Rossel wrote: I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence
Actually, no. I have had experiences in life which have proven to me that God is real. However, god will not force us to believe in him, which means he is not going to appear to you and try to convince you. It is your choice. Each individual has to make the choice and effort to find out if god is real or not. It's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
That comparison makes no sense. Kids NEED to go outside, be active, enjoy the sun and fresh air, play, just be kids. Keeping them inside would do more harm then letting them play outside and risk injury (most accidents happen in- and around the house anyway). If I could stop them from getting hurt while living their lives, then yes, I would do so. Unfortunately, I can't.
I don't have kids by the way (thank God! I really dislike kids  ).
RyanDev wrote: which have proven to me that God is real
Which you have interpreted as having to be influenced by some higher power rather than coincidence, luck, unexplained (natural) variables... Many people claim to have seen the hand of, or heard the voice of, God.
Nothing is proven, except your willingness to believe in a greater power.
RyanDev wrote: he is not going to appear to you
Jesus appeared in toast, cereals, and many other items though
Which, again, doesn't prove the existence of Jesus, but the fantasy of some people.
Many people, with many different religions, have claimed their God(s) is/are the only true God(s).
I find it all very fascinating, the Romans, the Greek, the Egyptian, the Northern, the Celtic, the Slavonic, the Japanese, the Chinese, and whatever old pantheons have you. And now Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and many variations thereof.
They have been the source of idiocy, war and hatred, as well as love and inspiration.
They all have one thing in common though, their God(s) is/are the one and only (which is funny when you think about it).
Your God is no different, nor is my non-God.
Perhaps we can all agree one day, I really hope so.
Until that day comes... Let's agree to disagree
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