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Amid government pressure on Apple to build an iOS encryption workaround, the company is said to be developing stronger iPhone and iCloud safeguards that would render obsolete any exploit it might be compelled to create.[^]Quote: "Our job is to protect our customers, and our customers have incredibly detailed information on their phones. There's probably more information about you on your phone than there is in your house," Cook said in Friday's ABC interview, noting many people keep contact information, health records, private communications and more on their smartphones. "So it's not just about privacy, but it's also about public safety."
Go Tim Cook! I'm not an Apple fan, but I support them in this case.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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The thing is, apple has been harvesting and allow other to harvest your personal information all along. It's just that they made money off of it. With this in mind, I find their argument worthless.
Their interest is in grabbing all the publicity and sympathy they can muster - for free, too.
Is it not true that the real obstacle is the phones data being wiped after ten failed access attempts? If so, the real thing they're protecting is what amounts to their anti-theft device. Not of personal information, mind you, but of the phone, itself. If rendered useless, it's not worth stealing (except, perhaps, for the battery?)
Listening to Apple's fearless leader on TV interviews - very much on his side interviews at that - I observed the carefully rehearsed propaganda techniques that went into the replies. Using verbal to simile of expressions that are valid, then adding their own justification with the same word-patter. The Tea-Party uses similar propaganda/brainwashing. It's used because it works on massive-scales.
Basically, their arguments, in light of their actual practices (viz-a-viz, privacy) have no merit based upon their existing practices.
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I agree they're making money from your personal information "metadata" (address, phone#, interests, web history, etc). But what they are also claiming to protect is your data that you have on your phone: contacts, messages, photos, financial data, etc to which they have no right to and no real access to and are NOT sharing nor making money from. So, from that standpoint, their arguments hold.
W∴ Balboos wrote: The Tea-Party Every political party uses similar propaganda/brainwashing. It's used because it works on massive-scales.
FTFY. And the FBI is doing the same.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Is it not true that the real obstacle is the phones data being wiped after ten failed access attempts?
Yes and that is what the FBI is asking to be modified as well as the ability to enter the 4-digit code electronically. I don't really buy the FBI's argument either. They can copy the phone's encrypted content (by attaching custom electronics) and put it in an emulator and do what they're wanting. Yeah, after 10 tries, the data will be wiped, but they still have the original. It will take a little longer, but it's doable.
W∴ Balboos wrote: I observed the carefully rehearsed propaganda
Doesn't everybody who is trying to sell their side do some of the same?
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: to which they have no right to and no real access to and are NOT sharing nor making money from.
No right is about the only part of this grouping that you actually know to be true!
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: They can copy the phone's encrypted content (by attaching custom electronics)
You do realize that this is effectively what they're asking Apple to supply? Just because you write "They an copy . . ." doesn't mean they can. How do they know where the data is, how it's laid out, etc.? This sounds like a TV Spy-Drama solution.
Assuming the above could, in fact, be worked out eventually . . . this data has significant time value. If there is a threat that could be stopped from the data in a phone owned by a known murdering terrorist, it's little use to get the code after the next mass-murder scene.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: you actually know to be true!
If this were occuring now, it would be very much noised about and loud complaining going on. So yeah, I think we can believe it's true. And even say I know it's true. The overwhelming evidence (or lack thereof) is on my side.
W∴ Balboos wrote: You do realize that this is effectively what they're asking Apple to supply?
Actually no. They're asking Apple 4 things: 1) to supply a modified version of iOS that removes the 10 tries restriction, 2) allows them to enter the 4 digit code electronically in rapid-fire, 3) to sign that modified version with Apple's certificate so that it can (4) be accepted by and burned onto the phone. This is in no way "copying" the data off the phone. What the FBI is asking for is effectively a reprogramming of the phone with a backdoor.
W∴ Balboos wrote: ust because you write "They an copy . . ." doesn't mean they can
The OS and data is stored in a non-volatile well recognized and well understood memory chip. Such memory chips can be easily read and copied. It's not rocket science and any half-assed college level electronics student can do that.
W∴ Balboos wrote: this data has significant time value.
Doubtful. Anybody connected to these evil two know they are potential targets of investigation and reprisal and have long since gone dark.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I absolutely love your answer:
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: The OS and data is stored in a non-volatile well recognized and well understood memory chip. Such memory chips can be easily read and copied. It's not rocket science and any half-assed college level electronics student can do that.
So, if what you say is true, there's no issue at all here for Apple to bellyache about. Every country everywhere can and already is doing this, as well as loads of 'black hats' and basically there is no security at all. I should be able to google how to do this. Like how to crack a WEP key: comes as a free kit!
This is a time when some serious blood is being shed all over the world by fanatical maniacs.* The reality is that this is a relatively innocuous act. Sure - the evil people will create there own encryption algorithms - but these can be attacked. Unless they start building their own phones, however, they won't have the security of knowing that Apple will protect them.
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I suppose you could blame their beliefs on the FBI, CIA, or NSA - which would be ever so fashionable to post.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: there's no issue at all here for Apple to bellyache about.
Yes and no. It's more a business perception problem. This is mainly for European consumption because the Apple executives are worried that Europeans (who take their privacy VERY seriously -- much more so than most Americans) will not buy Apple's products if they're seen as being too cooperative with the US Gov't. So, I believe, Apple's stance is more profit based that it is principle based, though I think their stance has elements of both.
W∴ Balboos wrote: some serious blood is being shed all over the world by fanatical maniacs.
Sadly true.
W∴ Balboos wrote: they won't have the security of knowing that Apple will protect them.
That some evil people are protected so that innocent people are protected is the price we all pay. It's an acknowledged human limitation of our rights. What you are suggesting is that we should all sacrifice our rights so we can get the bad guys. The problem with that is when "they" arbitrarily decide you are the bad guy you will then have no defense. If we could naively trust in the ultimate goodness of the authorities, then I would agree with you --- but we can't so I don't.
W∴ Balboos wrote: you could blame their beliefs on the FBI, CIA, or NSA
I could, but that would be a lie. I only know that most of them are pretty messed up people with a very skewed view of reality. I do believe though that some of their "beliefs" or whatever are due to their perceptions of "Western Economic Hegemony" whatever that really is.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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So now they have a new excuse to make people buy the newest iPhones. "Your old phones can be spied upon by the FBI, buy the [even more expensive] new one that can't be."
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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LMAO. That could be. I thought the same when I saw the article.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Go Tim Cook! I'm not an Apple fan, but I support them in this case.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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The flash chips have double the read speed of a typical SSD.[^]
Wowza!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Microsoft Corp. backs Apple Inc. in its fight with the U.S. government over unlocking a terrorist’s iPhone, said President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith. It's everyone vs. the FBI in a Battle Royale!
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Strange enough, that Bill Gates doesn't care about Microsoft's official statements anymore: Bill Gates supports government efforts in Apple case[^]. Now Microsoft says, they support Apple. Funny, how things go in business, and how they go around in personal lives. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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In addition to welcoming Xamarin, we also wanted to provide an update on the Windows 10 Bridges. Astoria becomes a bridge too far
Which I think makes it the second time something codenamed Astoria has rapidly gone nowhere.
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Thanks. Now I'm hungry for a cannoli.
There's the "Astoria Pastry Shop" just around the corner from here.
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Don’t get me wrong. I want to build software I can be proud of. I want to be part of teams that build great products. I aspire to craftsmanship. What I dislike is the word “quality”, and how it tends to polarise conversations. At least during my next code review
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According to reports from Japanese business journal Nikkei and Reuters, Sharp has decided to accept a takeover offer from Foxconn. Playing "hokey-pokey" with press releases
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Google's latest AI is PlaNet, a new deep-learning machine that specializes in figuring out where a photo was taken—using nothing but the image’s pixels. "All I've got is a photograph, but it's not enough"
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PlaNet : Is this mug shot ? with slate ? It must be prison.....
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf *
Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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There is a new batch of proposals for C++17, published for next weeks ISO C++ Committee meeting. Find all the ways your code will break in the future
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The Apple chief made his case against helping the FBI in a TV interview on ABC News. Uhm, Tim - go ahead and take it down a notch, please?
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Because iTunes, the music/configuration application from Apple is... what exactly? How many people on here have said iTunes is essentially a cancer in and of itself.
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