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But how many times has someone updated one, and forgot to update the other? At least with auto-generation, you're one click away from regenerating. With code first, you need to sit down and verify every recent change to ensure it has been incorporated.
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I am not sure how this can happen.
If you were using Entity framework, i know this can't happen. EF will inform you that the database and the POCO are out of sync.
Also, EF7 is strictly going to be Code first, though you have the option of generating the classes form an already existing db, but after that code first.
I think i prefer code first a lot, its very RAD, and migrations allow me to tweak almost anything nowadays.
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Layinka wrote: EF7 is strictly going to be Code first
Good to know.
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I agree 
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Thank you. I have not tried it yet and its nice to hear not everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Using a wizard to create your database just sounds like trouble.
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I like to roll my own too - if you know what you are doing then it works well.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: if you know what you are doing
Exactly; from what I see, the "latest and greatest shiniest new" tools are designed for a different demographic. 
If you don't know what you're doing, better have someone else do it for you.
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Old school here too. I can't recall the last time I let either DB or code be auto-created for me.
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Not really, no.
It feels better to start with but when you have a decent size model you basically have no way to visualise it except turning it into a database and then looking at that.
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I have seen the many-tentacled monsters manifested from the murky depths of Code First. Epi's with their SAS armor fear to step within the shadow of these Lovecraftian beasts. The Oracles on high, throw ever more power against it, and the leviathan will not be sated. When it takes 109 left joins, 20 sub-selects and 17 decodes to pull a single death record, there is nothing but eye-clawing madness and sound of your own screaming.
So... no. I do not like Code First.
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I wouldn't know how to normalize a code-first model 
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Just saw a demo online a few days ago, and the "demo guys" were having trouble with some areas with code first, and they were the "experts". So far, I am not entirely convinced that it is a development strategy worth using for the long term. We shall see, I guess.
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Slacker007 wrote: Just saw a demo online a few days ago
Still got the link?
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Tx
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Slacker007 wrote: Just saw a demo online a few days ago, and the "demo guys" were having trouble with some areas with code first, and they were the "experts".
Can you share the link?
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My buddy has it. Will post back with it when I get it. I watched part of the vid clip on his machine, not mine.
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If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Learn ASP.NET Online – Microsoft Virtual Academy[^]
Under "Creating and configuring models" --> Creating models --> around 23:40 but start at around 22:00 to get some intro context.
I heard that the SNAFU they had during the demo happens a lot to people, especially those who are trying to get up to speed with "code first".
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Thank you! Will take a look..
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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For my limited experience, what i can tell either way you got to adjust the side you started first.
Even with a virtual Database you'll reach the point where you just transferred it and finished the db, then someone is asking for another field. Or at what point you say the app is ready and you can start to set up the Database?
I started DB first, adjusted the programm, then the db, then both and so on. Seems like somethings never "finish".
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Spec First, before any of these
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Avijnata wrote:
That goes without saying.
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Slacker007 wrote: That goes without saying.
Not sure whether this is true. In more than 50 percent of the cases.
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Avijnata wrote: In more than 50 percent of the cases.
You have done statistical analysis on this? 
I have never worked for a software shop that did not require specs. I'm sure they are out there...50% of the time, at least.
-- just teasing you.
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