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Eventually 80% of the population is on benefits/dole/support and productivity is so high we all live comfortably - Utopia.
Except 80% of the population do not have the imagination to fill all their spare time and the human race dies of boredom.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: and the human race dies of boredom.
It's called war.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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Quote: Eventually 80% of the population is on benefits/dole/support and productivity is so high we all live comfortably - Utopia.
Except that the corporate heads will live in utopia and everyone else will just fodder in their mill, unless there is a serious change in how they think and in how current economics work. I'm guessing hell and freezing are likely to happen first.
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Guess that's why he wrote Utopia. But you're right, of course. Problem is that current economics has nothing to do with science anymore, it's just dogmatic, like a religion, the believe in Capitalism, Neoliberalism, and "thou shalt have no other Gods before me". Unless it finds its way out of this mess, the mill goes on.
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It just means we have to stay ahead of the robots. Quite easy for some - for others if mobile phone users are any guide, more difficult.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I think this is a serious issue that needs to be discussed on all levels of society. How are we going to redistribute resources? How do we deal with this? Those companies that will lead this are going to make a huge amount of monies. This can either lead to a future were more human resources can be spent on making our lives better or cement the power of the few.
How do you deal with this shift. I think what must be done is on a national and international level create plans for this shift. If taxation and legislation can't keep up those that do automate will knock out their competition and cement their power, at the same time if you tax them too much it will slow down the change. As I said people need to be aware and we will have to towards this together to be able to adapt society.
If we truly automate unskilled/unwanted jobs on a large scale resources need to be redistributed. One way would be to adapt taxation to increase with how automated a company is but then how do you determine these levels? How do you prevent slowing down too much? It would also likely increase costs to start new companies how do you deal with this?
On one side this also can help countries with large again populations. Japan is one country which has this problem and China will also feel this in the future. Here in Sweden we have a relatively low % of unskilled work but in business papers and the like you can read how 20-40% of work is going to be automated in the coming decades and at the same time politicians use the aging work force argument to motivate large numbers of unskilled workers to immigrate. Rhis is another factor of discord that can put a wrench in the wheel for this development.
Considering how slow politicians are and how good lobbying organizations can be I'm not too positive about this change. Too be able to create a society that's not too dystopian people need to understand this issue. I think one factor could be Unions, if they can adapt and have a clear vision they could be one factor to balance up lobbying but the way they work here in Sweden my hopes are not too high.
In the short term if you want to benefit from this you have to stay attractive to keep your job as long as possible. I think programmers do have one up here as our jobs will stay relevant for a long time.
//Wall of text out
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First of all... good speech. I agree with you in many things.
Member 11683251 wrote: How do you prevent slowing down too much?
If knowledge, wisdom and fairness have the same speed. There is not problem at all.
On the other hand... you can not slow down change. But you do can (or at least you can try to) slow down companies. Change can come from a guy in his mom's garage anyways.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I agree with you. It is an enormously complicated problem without any easy solutions, and there may be too few incentives for profit-driven companies to do the right thing.
Despite the fact they paint a very dark and stylized dystopian future, classic films like The Terminator and The Matrix (and to some extent, more recent films like Ex Machina) contain stories that advise great caution when it comes to robotics, automation, and AI. Frankly, I'm not sure we take stories like those seriously enough.
Many years ago, Bill Joy (the co-founder of Sun Microsystems) wrote an article for Wired Magazine that was titled "Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us [^]. Here is one excerpt:
The average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite – just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race.
modified 21-Nov-15 9:15am.
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Just bought a 32 GB flash drive; and the shopkeeper said that it comes with 'Lifetime warranty'.
Whose lifetime did he refer to - my lifetime, or the product's lifetime? Or its manufacturer's lifetime?
Whose else?
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Obviously it is the product's lifetime...But that make sense...The very day the product crashes down (dies) the warranty automatically off...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
modified 19-Nov-15 11:55am.
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Why didn't you ask him?
And the answer is all three btw.
Jeremy Falcon
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I've often wondered that myself.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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the packaging's tamper evident seal's lifetime. The warranty ends when you open it. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It's guaranteed until it quits working...that's it's lifetime.
New version: WinHeist Version You didn't fall from the stupid tree you got dragged through the whole dumbass forest.
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"Warranted to have a lifetime."
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Did you know that lumberjack graphs look good because they always label their axes?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Are graphic descriptions kid sister safe?
Life is too shor
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Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I thought it was because they slept all night, and worked all day. [^]
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You wood timber-me-shivers with leave-ing this joke, even to the extent I'd climb out of the trunk of my existence to get to the root of this branching commentary to once again cut into others' busy day only to be-fall their productivity; board-erline tree-son, I tell ya!
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Too many puns. You need to learn when to leaf well enough alone.
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Well my car needs work. I had just put in a new (rebuilt) transmission then two weeks later a valve goes. I only have 70K miles on it, and I try and drive conservatively.
So I am looking at (in no order)
Chevrolet Malibu LT1
Ford Fusion SE
Honda Accord EX
Toyota Camry
I have had a couple of Camry's that I liked but I no longer live that close to a dealer, I live closest to the Chevrolet place now, but my current car is Chevy which has had a couple of recalls and now the problems.
Just started looking, and since I have a pickup truck I can use, I am looking at February to buy.
I have only test drove the Ford as I want to go in the day time and it is dark after work. So Saturday morning I will be trying to hit a couple more.
Anyone have suggestion of which to get?
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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If your Chevy dies with 70k you arent compatible to it. 
I like the Toyota quality, but driving (a cheap) Ford. But it also needed some extra fixing which wont be with a Toyota. I would check the Honda first, than Toyota because you drove some. Take a look at the extras/gimmicks.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Thanks. I will not buy Buick or Mazda due to bad experiences. I know people that own each and they have no problem. Must be me.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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