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AFAIK, you have to do the update first - if you don't, it wants a licence key you don't have. Updating gives you a system specific key stored in Redmond, and which will be applied when you subsequently wipe and re-install.
Otherwise Windows XP and Vista users could get the upgrade for free, and MS don't want that! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I expect my MSDN subscription will get it for me free anyway. 
But I'll give it few years to settle in.
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I'd backup my system, update it, and then restore the previous version. That way, your PC is ready registered at MS as "free upgraded" and a licence issued. When later you need to install a fresh win 10, it's ready to go, even if the "free upgrade period" should end.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I suppose I could do that on one of my Win 7 systems, but probably not my primary one.
Getting OpenVMS 8 onto my HP Integrity server is a higher priority for me. 
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The only issue with that is that it's so cumbersome to get the activation done if not upgrading. Else it's an automatic activation if you upgrade from anything W7 and later.
Of course if you bought a new W10 (or got it packaged with new hardware) it would be a different matter, but an upgrade is designed to be upgraded. They didn't design it properly to be re-installed.
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OriginalGriff wrote: From Win7 to Win 10 is another matter - that takes planning
Really? What kind of planning?
I'm sticking with win7 at the moment but I fear I'll eventually have to switch so...
Even tho I haven't had the whole 'upgrade to win10' icon thingy yet.
Tom
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I had problems which were mostly connected to my Win7 login details - because I had a local login (and Win10 likes a Microsoft account) when I got set up all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user so I could read them, but didn't have any write permissions. I suspect (but haven't tried) that if you convert your Win7 login to an MA first, this could disappear.
There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: convert your Win7 login to an MA first
You can do this? Didn't know.
OriginalGriff wrote: all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user
Ah not really a problem for me, I don't keep any files on local hard drive
Or does it extend to programs as well?
OriginalGriff wrote: There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Must have missed those, I'll go dig in 
But probably still going to hold off upgrading for a couple more months until win10 has matured a bit.
Tom
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My programs were all fine, it was just everything in "My Documents" and so on was read only. Oh, and my templates for VS, Word, Excel, ...
And since I keep everything there so it's easy to back up... :swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords:
The worst was that changing teh permissions has to be done on a folder - by - folder basis, it didn't automatically apply to subdirectory content. :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Well I keep nothing in there, everything I want to keep goes straight onto one my 4 NAS systems
OriginalGriff wrote: :swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords:
I can so imagine that, that's one of the reasons I never keep anything on my local hard drive anymore 
Tom
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Bet you were dual booting and had hibernate enabled on the Win10 side. Best to disable hibernate as this stops fast start from screwing up all your permissions.
Also I highly recommend making a full system backup of the old OS before "upgrading" to the pile of... Erhem.... greatly improved offering. You might just decide to roll back.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Quote: Win10 isn't good - it's still ugly as sin and not as "together" as Win7 was
I recently installed the free "Classic Shell" on my W10 laptop and that reduced the ugly factor for me.
Just a thought.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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I also run Win 8.1. A couple of weeks ago, I configured the task bar re Win 10 icon: "Don't display icon and notifications". I also deleted the file GWX.exe in the Windows folder.
Since then GWX.exe has not been re-installed and the icon is gone.
:Whisper: Don't tell Microsoft! :/Whisper:
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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KB3035583 will come back I have uninstalled it several times.
What is more worrying is the hidden folder on the C:\~BT drive which chewed up about 2 GB on my hard drive before I spotted it.
Managed to stop that with a registry entry but I am annoyed that this was being dumped on my machine despite not asking to reserve a copy or agreeing to any form of download.
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Tony Hill wrote: the C:\~BT drive which chewed up about 2 GB
Thanks for the heads up. Though it is too late for me.
I just installed WinX on my machine and it just now finished over my high-speed network and i7 8GB machine.
Sheesh.
Also, I checked and I have that folder and it is...
over 4GB in size. What?!
Microsoft, I upgraded, please stop hurting me now.
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But wait, there's more.
I just noticed that I also have an
c:\ESD directory.
It looks like the stuff you can use to build a USB boot (recovery) drive.
It's 3.5GB and it was created today -- I'm assuming when I installed Win10.
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On Win7 I have had no issues after uninstalling and hiding the update.
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Watch for it. I had hidden the update two times before (on my Win8.1) and it came back twice.
Terrible.
I upgraded to WinX today.
Ah, well, we have been assimilated and we are one now.
Mic-ro-soft. Mic-ro-soft. I hear and obey.
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Yeah, after I responded earlier, I checked my Win 7 systems and saw that it had become unhidden on one of them.
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Yep, it's a dirty trick, really. Just annoying and stupid.
I mean if I as a user go to the trouble of hiding the update then don't play games with my system and change it without me knowing. At the least popup a dialog and tell me what you are doing or send me an email or something.
Sheesh, Microsoft.
On the other hand...
We have been assimilated and all that we do is fine with us. Mic-ro-soft, I hear and obey.
I'm Win10 now.
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My curiosity got the better of me and I upgraded one machine in our house to Win 10. Everything works fine so far, but I have about 8GB less spare on my systems drive. I suspect Win 8 has been saved somewhere, in case I want to go back.
Now to wipe the partition and do a fresh install from a DVD. It's just the fact that I will have to re-install and update all the apps and in my case that can take a couple of days! I wonder if it is worth the effort?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Yeah, I looked at a CTP of Win10 and it looked fine. Way better than 8. But Win7 is working fine and it's what's on my work laptop too, so I have no need for Win10 at this time.
Yet I might put it on my "database server" which I rarely log into.
What I would like is some sort of small home-network domain server.
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