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I used a similar set up called a D5 if I remember right, 6802 based though
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I can't resist as well...
My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81, with the 16KB add on memory module. That and a realistic cassette deck were all that were needed to ensure productivity never faltered.
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I can't resist as well: started with a PDP-8 with 8kB Memory (real magnetic rings with 4 wires...) and punch tape.
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Me too! 70s kids REPRESENT!
(I was pretty jealous later when all my friends got Commodore 64s. 
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Whoa! With that sort of advanced capability, you'll even be able to run "Adventure For The Stupid" (tm):
10 print "You are in a cave..."
20 line input I$
30 goto 10
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Proceed with care! Antiques may be worth more than you think! 
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Hey. KSS, remember?
If you're going to use words like B@@@C then take it to the SoapBox
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It could always be worse.
You could be required to build an app with nothing but Access and macros. It's like opening that nice red toolbox and finding only a bag of sporks.
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How many sporks are we talking about here?
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It's a bonus bag, there's at least fifty in there.
With a little time, practice and the incandescent bulb in your desklamp, you can morph them into barely adequate approximations of necessary tools.
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OK, I can work with that. Thanks.
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Is there a macro that could be used to call Access VBA?
"Wow, you did all of this with a single line of macros."
[and a few hundred lines of "real" code]
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Tempting, but the boss at the time was too savvy for that kind of sneakiness.
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if you depend on a IDE, you have problems.
if he is that extremist that chooses a solution over a IDE, he has one too.
I almost never use IDE's basically because I have no time to lose learning all the tricks I already know on my text editor.
I really hate them for the dependency they create on my colleagues that can't think out a bug without an IDE.
the almost part its the technological part.
if I'm codding java or c# I'll use one.
if I'm codding php or javascript, I'm faster at my text editor and I'm used to deal with the bugs on a different way.
this is personal to me. my mind got used to this way over the years and changing it now would cost a lot to me and my employee.
maybe that guy who told you that has the same problem.
his difference from me is the lack of willingness to try.
because if my boss tells me use this or that language, I'll put the learning of the IDE on cost of learning the language (win win for me).
so, the lack of willingness to try, thats a problem he has.
your's is the ability to think that there is no coding without an IDE.
you would probably fail at some exams I had when I wasn't even at college (coding tests, yes). 
Err...say what?
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Mookie Baylock wrote: your's is the ability to think that there is no coding without an IDE.
If you read what I said properly you'll see that's not what I said. When I started programming I had to write it out by hand to start with so I'm perfectly at home using everything from the command line to a sophisticated IDE. I prefer the IDE because it makes my working life easier & gives me access to other useful tool sand technologies all in one easy to use package and because I have not got some outdated and ridiculously romantic notion about development. I am a professional and have been since probably before you were even a zygote.
Fine, if you want to use the command line or notepad, go for it - it's great when you're a script kiddie 'coding' php or some other scripting language. For real coding, you can't beat a well made and easy to use IDE. 
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: For real coding
yep, you two really make a pair.
talk about "if you read what I said"...
if age is your best argument to defend your point of view instead of understanding that to some "languages" a IDE it's just clutter and to others it's a good handy tool, well, keep talking to your friend, you're a match.
besides, this zygote didn't belittled someone experienced opinion based on their age, because, if you're older than me you should know that rationality beats that every day.
maybe you failed to learn that on those long long years programming real code.
that might be another problem you have.
signs of oversized ego belittling everything you don't like so you feel better about what you do.
but your're not alone in that.
some guys buy oversized cars to solve the same problem.
anyway, this is me guessing stuff about you like you did about me.
you might even be a good person just with a rage.
I will stop now, because you know how they say, you will beat this zygote in experience. *grins*
Err...say what?
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Wow! Does no one actually read something or understand it before they respond. Plainly, in your case, they don't. Have very nice notepad life.
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Mookie Baylock wrote: I almost never use IDE's basically because I have no time to lose learning all the tricks I already know on my text editor.
That's the fallacy of motion: you're too busy digging that ditch with a shovel to learn how to use the backhoe, even though the combined time to learn the backhoe controls and use it to dig the ditch is less than the time it will take you to dig the ditch by hand. But hey, you've already got the shovel in your hand, and the backhoe is way over there by the shed, so let's just mumble something about how real men don't need machines to do their work and get to it.
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yep, you're right.
never disagreed with that.
but still, I won't use a caterpillar to dig a sand castle.
unless I want to live in the sand castle which doesn't sound that wise either.
the real problem here is extremism.
when you only have a hammer, that hammer is the solution to everything.
the guy that said he won't code c# because of having to use a IDE has his hammer and refuses to leave it. he can solve anything with it.
the other guys do exactly like him, but with a different hammer. their hammer.
well, let them hammer themselves until one gets tired. :P
Err...say what?
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Sometimes tools get in the way. You're the elitist here.
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Asday wrote: Sometimes tools get in the way.
Not if you use them properly.
Asday wrote: You're the elitist here.
You have that ass-backward, I'm an anti-elitist. Presumably, you're one of the elitists using notepad to produce the next version of Word. Good luck with that.
Here's another analogy: if I'm working on a 50 year old car, then I'd expect my toolkit to be a little different than the one I use for a 3 year old car. I might be able to sue some of those old tools on the new car but that would probably not be the most efficient use when the manufacturer would have produced specialist tools for the job. (We're ignoring the fact that you can make your own tools; from experience I can tell you that is only effective in very few cases).
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Not if you use them properly.
Ever seen an old person try to work one of those new TV remotes? Sometimes you get used to the old way, and that's fine.
Presumably, you're one of the elitists using notepad to produce the next version of Word. Good luck with that.
Did notepad touch you when you were a kid? Why are you so aggressive?
Yet more clueless bullshit
Your analogy is stupid. C# is a decade and a half old. Python is two and a half decades. C is four. Some people use IDEs for C. Some people don't use IDEs for C#. It has nothing to do with the age of the "car"; it's about how the programmer works best.
You could take away my pushbike and hand me a quad bike and tell me it's better, but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy it more, or ride more skillfully.
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Asday wrote: Sometimes you get used to the old way, and that's fine.
I'm old but I adapt and change. My FIL is 87 and juts bought an Apple laptop. he loves it. Not all people of age are old.
Asday wrote: Did notepad touch you when you were a kid?
There was no Notepad when I was a kid. There were no pcs. There was only pong.
Asday wrote: Why are you so aggressive?
I didn't realize I was being aggressive; just straightforward.
Asday wrote: Your analogy is stupid.
Now who's being aggressive? Anyway, you clearly don't understand the analogy. I have not once don't use notepad or anything you want: my complaint was that the OP said he wouldn't use an IDE and I am saying I like to use an IDE. The same way I would use a laptop to help me diagnose the issue with a new car. On a 50 year old car the laptop could only be used to stop the car rolling.
Asday wrote: C# is a decade and a half old. Python is two and a half decades. C is four. Some people use IDEs for C. Some people don't use IDEs for C#. It has nothing to do with the age of the "car"; it's about how the programmer works best.
I never said it didn't work like that. You've plainly not really understood any of the sides here and are just barreling in.
Your example of c# is not good: that has always had an IDE. Yes, some people may choose to code with Notepad/ I just say Why? The IDE is a far richer environment. If you choose not to use it, your loss.
Asday wrote: You could take away my pushbike and hand me a quad bike and tell me it's better, but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy it more, or ride more skillfully.
No one wants to take anything from you: you have utterly misunderstood. perhaps you should go rip some code on your abacus.
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I'm old but I adapt and change.
You're missing a very very important part of my post.
and that's fine.
Your example of c# is not good: that has always had an IDE
So? You've always been able to code in a text editor. What's your point?
perhaps you should go rip some code on your abacus.
I have not once don't use notepad or anything you want:
Why are you so confused? I don't care what other people use. I don't code with two badgers and a spoon. The reason I'm talking to you is because you're trying to force the idea that using an IDE is straight up better than not doing so, and you're wrong. It depends on the programmer.
Yes, some people may choose to code with Notepad/ I just say Why? The IDE is a far richer environment. If you choose not to use it, your loss.
Yes, some people may choose to have a bacon sandwich, I just say "why"? Eating the whole pig is much more filling. If you choose not to eat a whole pig, it's your loss.
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Asday wrote: Why are you so confused? I don't care what other people use. I don't code with two badgers and a spoon. The reason I'm talking to you is because you're trying to force the idea that using an IDE is straight up better than not doing so, and you're wrong. It depends on the programmer.
Again, you're seeing things that are not there. perhaps you should have a rest since you're plainly struggling here. You need to re-read what I have said.
Let's try this: using notepad, for instance is like driving a mini, maybe even a mini cooper. They're great, Ive had one or two and they are marvelous little cars. A decent IDE? Like driving a Jag. It's still just a car but it has loads of useful little extras that you'd have to buy and install on your own for the mini.
I guess you won't get that either as you are so blinded by what you think has been said.
Asday wrote: Yes, some people may choose to have a bacon sandwich, I just say "why"? Eating the whole pig is much more filling. If you choose not to eat a whole pig, it's your loss
Yup, the jury is in, you are a twat.
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