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CDP1802 wrote: still enjoy writing machine code and enter it with a kex keypad.
Machine code? Hex keypad? LOL! NOOB! This is how I roll[^].
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Yes, of course. You have taken that picture in your basement just now. Must I really make a snapshot of my old computer? 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Because it works.
If it's not broken, don't fix it
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Mladen Janković wrote: What's so fascinating about it???
Windows? Well, it was one of the first API's that allowed a developer with limited knowledge to create a uniform looking UI; one that is predictable, where things have a predictable working, and once you know the UI, you pretty much can access any application using that UI without resorting to manuals or expensive training. It had even special provisions for accessibility, so, in short, Windows was great.
One of the main development ideas during the design of various Windows versions was that the user/the owner was completely in charge. It means I was in charge of my machine.
Windows was great. And seven is the last serious version that I have seen
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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I for one am afraid convinced that MS is going to turn windows 10 into a dumb terminal for cloud based pay as you go windows via mandatory automatic F$%Kdates. Sol.exe is now subscription based and all they have to do is do the same to explorer.exe or worse as voila you no longer have the power and autonomy we received when we first booted MSDOS 1.1. A:>\MINE
The cloud is evil.
C: drives with your own stuff and you own backups are freedom.
That's why I stay on 7. (The number of completion btw  )
Last night I was mixing on my Windows 7 DAW, listening to playback.
It's a big bitchin multitrack tape recorder for all intent and purposes. It came to me that I want this "tape recorder" to be the same from one day to the next and I don't give a flip what OS it is running so long as I can pick up where I left off yesterday. I do my own image backups with paranoid regularity because hard drives die.
There is NO WAY I'm going to let MS dictate what I do and when I do it just because they're a old and frightened animal who is getting their clock cleaned now and used to be the king of the forest. (No AD pun intended).
They GAVE you Windows 10.
Be very afraid.
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It's not fascinating. The very opposite in fact. That's what's so good about it. An OS should essentially be invisible. You don't question the make of bus that you catch; you simply ride it to your destination. The same is true of W7. It does everything I need it to do without being in my face and needy.
I am trying W10 out in a VM and so far I've found a few things I don't like about it (I hate the look with those modern icons - they're just so fricking dull!) but nothing that says I'm missing out badly enough to warrant devoting a couple of hours to changing over when I've far better things I can be doing with my machine.
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It seems like everyone is rushing to get Windows 10 downloaded and installed.
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WHY???
I'm still on Windows 7, it works, it's stable, all the PC's at my company, including 20 devs, all still use 7... NO ONE that I know really wants Win 10..
I don't get it... What's so fascinating about it???
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Why?
Why not!
work computers != home computers != virtual machines.
I will upgrade my home computer as soon as it is available for me (haven't been notified yet) because I AM A GEEK/NERD and love cutting edge stuff; and my home PC is a gaming computer and there nothing really valuable on it.
I'd like to upgrade my work computer as well because we need a real computer with the latest Windows OS to build and run our application (outside of testing).
I don't really care about virtual machines, but if I could have one running Win10, then I would be happy too.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Kevin Marois wrote: I'm still on Windows 7
In a few years, that's gonna be the next XP. I can't speak for everyone, and I'm in no rush. But, change is good. It keeps things fresh and new instead of old and stale.
Jeremy Falcon
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If it's not broken, don't fix it
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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I get what you're saying, there just comes a point where you want something new. I'd not want to be the person still using Win 3.1 and WordPerfect just because it does all I'll ever need. It's a trade off.
Jeremy Falcon
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And I get what you're saying... But I don't want to be (and can't afford to be) they guy who's world is a mess because I have to install every new and shiny tool toy that comes out.
Stability is the key.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Oh I get that, that's why I'm in no rush. I'm content with 8.1 for now. To me "no start menu" was never a valid reason not to upgrade away from 7.
Jeremy Falcon
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I didn't like the fact that they removed the Start button, I mean Why??? Why would you remove such a critical piece of the UI??
But what it really showed me what how far out of touch MS is from their users. If they can remove the Start Button with nary a thought, what's next?? It's scary.
Then, Wino 10 comes along and, to me, it's not much different than 8. So I see no reason (again) to downgrade.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Kevin Marois wrote: It's scary.
It's a button on an electronic computer screen. Having to rethink how you access programs is not scary. Having someone raid your house in the middle of the night with a shotgun is. Might wanna keep that in perspective.
Jeremy Falcon
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Untold millions rely on that little button every day. When the removed it, the panic meter worldwide went off the scale.
Again, the point isn't the button - it's the decision making process that allows a company with such great influence to remove something EVERYONE uses.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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It's a decision over a button. As in, big deal. Who cares? It was a decision over a button. Dunno about you, but I've got better things to do with my time than freak out about that.
Jeremy Falcon
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You're totally missing the point.
I really don't give a rats ass about the button either..
But people really did go into a panic about it... Why? because users hate change.
So what happens when they decide to change/remove/modify something that really IS significant..
The point is they didn't give two sh*ts about their users... They just went off and did it.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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I'm not missing the point. Calm down there buttercup. I get why some people want to whine and flip out. You're not teaching me anything new here.
I'm saying it's infantile to assume that A: Microsoft doesn't give a sh*t about their users and B: people need to get a life if it's that big of a deal to them.
MS did put the button back. So they do care.
Jeremy Falcon
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Calm down?? Really? Buttercup?? WTF? LOL...
You're taking this conversation waaaayyy to seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm saying it's infantile to assume that A: Microsoft doesn't give a sh*t about their users and B: people need to get a life if it's that big of a deal to them.
I totally disagree...
A: I ALWAYS assume MS doesn't care. There's ample evidence to back that up and there's no reason to assume otherwise. They care about one thing only: $$$
B: Businesses rely on stable platforms to keep the money coming in. Changes break things, and broken things == lost revenue.
For a company relying on software and OS's that are stable, large scale changes are scary. I've had more than a few clients who have refused to upgrade until at least SP2, because they KNOW that anything sooner means trouble... How do they know that you ask? experience dealing with MS products.
I don't know of a single company that is using Win 8 or plans to go to Win 10... Really, I don't... All of my clients are on Win 7.
For a independent dev who support companies, it means lost time & money for me to have to stop and spend months learning new things because MS went and changed things.
Consider the discussion about VS2015. Some here are reporting the usual complaints. I haven't tried it yet, but after 30 years of using MS products for development, I know what to expect. With every single version of VS they make the same mistakes. One peave of mine is that they move or rename IDE functions. In VS2010 the shortcut for some things is totally different than in 2012, same for 13, and same for 15 be you sure!
So the summary is, they keep pumping out what THEY think you want, and they don't really understand their users.
Just my 2 cents.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Man, I'm not going to read all of this. Have fun hanging on to a button. Toodles!
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: keeps things fresh and new instead of old and stale
Tell that to my wife. 
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I installed it to my laptop just so I could test applications and see if there are any quirks our users might experience.
Plus, Microsoft left me a nice little present that was placed on my menu bar; I just had to open it!
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Kevin Marois wrote: What's so fascinating about it???
You'll get a simpeler answer than the one above;
It is the new current version of Windows. Regardless of whether it contains improvements, gremlins or whatever, but everyone that writes Windows-software will want to know if anything will be changing.
They don't want it because it works for them; they'll find out that it no longer works for them once time progresses. As XP, so will Seven go in time.
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