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Win 11 or XI, and 12 or XII
VII. 36. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
SUN-TZU - Art of War
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I have not seen it, and have no intention atm. When forced due to new computer or something like that I will give a try, if I don't like it... I will go linux
M.D.V. 
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I've not even looked at Win 10 yet. How should I answer?
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Windows 10 is a great step forward for MS, but only eventually. They've got a lot of work to move the stalwart opposers, but once the majority of Windows users are Windows 10 users then MS can really start removing cruft from the OS.
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...at least in the short-term as all of our current and perspective projects are web-based.
Mislim, dakle jeo sam.
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They says that's it, 10 is the last number for rest of the century or human life as we know it.
Kind of like Apples's OS X, except they have animal names for versions.
Perhaps Microsoft will have CEO names for versions of Windows 10
[edit] Update 5 for Win 10
My VS bugged me to install updates, which are basically Win 10 updates for everything, desktops, phones, sql server, etc.
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for Window 11 comes out. Or, perhaps, Windows 12.
By then they should have most of the bugs worked out of 10.
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Sorry, I haven't really been paying attention. Does this mean a fully unified programming model where apps will work, without modification across devices? That'd be nice.
Apart from that, yes, bring it on. I'm interested to see it not having played with any CTP. I never really found Windows 8 had that detrimental effect on my life despite all the moaning (apart from the removal of synchronous methods in WindowsRT - that did cause expletives), so I'm hopeful it will be good.
Cortana may actually be the next big thing, if we accept it.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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I remember the first "adoptee" of windows 8 I saw walk storm into my office that Monday. Remember, you could upgrade from 7 but not get back? he was all:
"Where the @#$%^ is all my stuff!"
Poor Dan.
Now it seems my user base could get Win 10 10 push updated to their 7 machines when their not looking.
Hold your fire till you see the whites of their eyes.
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With the RTM release of VS 2015 a few days ago, I decided to go mad and set up an old new development PC based on Windows 10 Pro (Build 10240) for testing purposes. Now here are some Pros and Cons so far...
Pro: It's better than 8/8.1, obviously, but only if you were using Store apps and hated the fact that they are forced full-screen, and if you were missing your Start menu. Performance-wise, I don't feel much of a difference compared to 8/8.1, but it seems to be more memory efficient than 7 was.
Pro: Task View (virtual desktops). Available via Sysinternals for ages, but the now built-in ability to run multiple desktops on a single monitor side-by-side is a very welcome addition.
Pro: Improved console (Strg-V! and some other welcome features).
Con: Start menu. For every Windows 7 user, this is definitely a downgrade. It looks nice, but it lacks so many features of the old one that I don't even know where to start. Pinning traditional Win32 applications with static icons as tiles doesn't make any sense if you don't use any or just a few apps. The All Programs (now All Apps) view is an alphabetical ordered list, without any kind of modification options (no context menus).
Con: Design. There are so many inconsistencies in font sizes and layout (especially when it comes to grid alignment) across the system and built-in apps, and at least six different styles of context menus. Plus, the worst visual theme since XP with enforced white title bars (fortunately, there is a hack to bring colorization back, but not without bugs).
After all, what I really don't like is the phone-ization (or mobile-ization) of the OS. I still struggle to find a reason why I need apps with hamburger menus instead of rich traditional menu bars, live tiles, or a notification center on my laptop. It's great on the phone without a question, I really like it there, but on a traditional PC it just feels out of place, too simplified, at least in my opinion.
Then there is the dumb-ification on every other corner of the system. The Settings app is no sufficient replacement for the still more powerful Control Panel, but because some stuff has already been removed from the latter, I now have to do some extra clicks just to find myself back at Control Panel for the more advanced stuff. For example, try a task as simple as changing the power plan - it no longer works by a simple click on the battery icon, you now have to go to the Settings app first, just to be redirected to the old Control Panel page where you can make the selection like back in the Vista days. The same goes for date/time and network settings. I'd like to have one place for all settings, and not one for simple and one for advanced.
Last but not least, the cloud-ification. I don't like it, simply because of the fact that the stuff is being forced on everybody, without an option to fully disable or uninstall it (OneDrive and Cortana, for example). At least OneDrive can be disabled and hidden via Group Policy, but Cortana is required to run in the background even if you disabled the personal assistant feature as it powers normal Search as well.
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Good write-up! 
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modified 20-Sep-20 21:01pm.
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Nice 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Great write-up. Based on this, I think W7 will be my last OS. Much as I hate to say it, given that I do mostly web development now, maybe after W7 reaches its end of life, I'll be switching permanently to something else. Problem with that is, there are things I really love about VS that would be hard to part with. Sigh. I just want an OS that doesn't get in my way. Is that too much to ask for?
Marc
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Great writeup - my mom was asking me about upgrading. I told her that if she's happy with Windows 8, stick with it.
I'll wait for SP1.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
-- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian
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Although it looks like it might be a good upgrade I'm going to wait for the dust to settle before committing.
Also I'm of the opinion that there's no such thing as a free lunch so am waiting to see what I'm giving up when upgrading!
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!
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It's got to be a positive development (compared with the steaming pile of detritus that was Win8, anyway) - or MS is probably in trouble.
Take up will be huge: it's free.
Probably, it's going to cause some problems as a result of that take up - but unless it really is as bad as Win8 and most people upgrade back to Win7 then it's got to be worth learning the new stuff.
If nothing else, we can make a good amount of beer tokens sorting out the chaos it causes! 
But the survey needed a "Don't know: waiting until it's out" option.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: But the survey needed a "Don't know: waiting until it's out" option.
Excellent point. That is what my initial feeling on this was.
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Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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...before answering that poll. That ought to have been included as an answer BTW!
Haven't yet bothered with the previews. Will wait for the release!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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I'm mainly a web developer so most of the times I don't care about the OS my apps are running on.
Although I still have to deal with different browsers and Windows 10 comes a new shiny IE "Spartan".
Honestly I haven't put much attention on it but at least the new features look cool.
The JavaScript engine looks and feels faster, let's just hope the HTML parser doesn't behave strangely.
Cheers!
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So take a look at it. It is same serious competion for Googles Chrome. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I honestly don't care about this speed fight.
At the end the clients choose whatever they want and many the corporations still need to support IE8.
My apps usually need to support and perform on any browser IE8 up.
I mainly use Chrome for the initial development just because the dev tools are friendlier, or at least I'm more used to them.
Bottom line, I just hope the HTML parser doesn't try to behave differently from the base IE 
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