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EDIT: fixed link to Howard Scott Warshaw wikipedia entry
Have you ever watched the movie / documentary, Atari: Game Over (amazon link to trailer)[^]?
It's extremely interesting, because as you watch you'll hear about Howard Scott Warshaw[^] creator of Yar's Revenge and numerous other Atari titles which moved him to the top of the game system heap.
However, as you watch, you'll see learn that he no longer does game development.
It's very interesting story about why. Very interesting about how beliefs come into the people's imagination and are furthered by journalists who tell only one angle of the story which is often incorrect or (as in this case) and straight up falsehood.
Check it out, as a developer you'll probably really like it. Very interesting history of Atari too.
modified 20-Jul-15 15:35pm.
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Correct link <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_Warshaw">Howard Scott Warshaw</a>[<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_Warshaw" target="_blank" title="New Window">^</a>]
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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thanks, that is crazy how that link got chopped off and instead pointed at howard scott entry.
I fixed it in the original post.
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Cool, I've not seen the movie, but will have to check it out. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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$5 to rent, no thank you. Not for something like this.
I am interested to watch the story sometime.
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It's also on Netflix, if you have that.
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You are totally right. I watched it because I'm an Amazon Prime member and watched for free.
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OK, so I've been reading that windows environment can cause a lot of problems with eclipse. So I setup an ubuntu vm to try it in.
Unity was too slow though, so I'm installing xfce4 now.
When I turn my back on eclipse, there should be no doubt  I got to give it all the proper chances. One big deciding factor is, I don't want to change IDE's, and I wont' get a second subscription to jetbrains for my home pc.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I've been using eclipse on Windows (XP, 7) for years and had almost no problems at all.
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that's fantastic. I'm very happy for you, and I'm glad you had the courage to speak up.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Thank you, for years I was ashamed. First there was vi with its strange character sequences, took months to discover :q. Then emacs with its three finger key sequences, and weird macros. And finally my rapture was complete when I discovered eclipse. But now I can shout it to the world: eclipse is actually not bad. 
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Are we required to buy into MSDN now to buy VS 2015 Professional?
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I recall reading that you could still buy 2015 Pro without MSDN, but they do a good job of hiding the link to it in the Microsoft Store!
On this page they mention the standalone license, but there is no indication of where to buy it: Standalone[^]
They mention the standalone license at the very bottom of the page.
But the Community edition is just about the same and it's free.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
modified 20-Jul-15 18:10pm.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: But the Community edition is just about the same and it's free.
The community edition may only be used by individuals or in "non-enterprise" companies - there are limits on the number of programmersPCs and the turnoverrevenues of the company.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
modified 21-Jul-15 7:14am.
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I've just downloaded and installed VS 2015 Community Edition. The "typical" installation includes:
- Targeting of Windows ONLY
- C#/VB source files ONLY
C++, F#, targeting of mobile devices, etc. must all be installed using "custom" installation.
Given that the highlighted features for VS 2015 were support for the C++ Standard and multi-platform development, I would expect at the very least that the "typical" installation would do a better job of highlighting these features.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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The lesson I've learned decades ago is to always pick the Custom option in all installers.
Especially when I know the installer I'm about to run takes forever to complete no matter how fast the machine is.
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dandy72 wrote: always pick the Custom option in all installers
Any self-respecting software developer should do this.
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Another good one is to never allow the installer to run the program after it's installed. Always check no and then run it yourself after the installer has exited.
"When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down 'happy'. They told me I didn't understand the assignment, and I told them they didn't understand life." - John Lennon
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Is it too much to just select Custom before proceeding to Install? Also, even if you have installed them, updating your product isn't a tough job. Just go to Control Panel, click Modify and then select other features that you want to install or uncheck that you want to remove and there you are.
I don't think, this only thing is worth noting for when you get such a great IDE for free. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: Is it too much to just select Custom before proceeding to Install?
This is a User Experience issue.
It's not too much to click on the "custom" installation button, but when the manufacturer highlights certain features, I naturally expect them to be part of the "typical" installation.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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You are not going to get much traction on this one, I don't think there should be a typical/standard option on developer tools. You should ALWAYS have to go through the custom install option.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Perhaps not. But every previous version of Visual Studio (I have used all versions from VS 4, back in the '90s, to VS 2013) installed all major supported languages as part of the "typical" installation.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: But every previous version
And how many were free? Which probably has absolutely nothing to do with the reason MS decided to change their typical installation.
MS do not need a reason to screw with consistency I think they do it for their own entertainment. Oh look if we change this from a menu to a new ribbonny thing we can really piss off the users, how about we change the colour scheme to white, lets go all caps for the menus. Lets drop Silverlight, now that should really stir them up AAAHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hic!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I seem to be in a minority of one. Not for the first time...
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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You have traction from me. Just restarted the installation - lol
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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