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I really like the Mini dogs! They are so cute!
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OMG Human beings are just such stupid, stupid animals!
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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About a week ago, I remember reading JSOP's post about responsive web design being a PITA. I have to add that responsive email design makes me want to change my profession. 
Gmail strips out any style section or CSS so everything has to be inline. Outlook thinks we are still using IE8 or something equally archaic so doesn't support anything fluid and you have to use old school tables. Apple Mail doesn't support the max-width tag. Yahoo in their infinite wisdom treats media queries as word so you have to put a tag to tell them to ignore it. Apparently modern browsers now ignore conditional html entirely.
And of course the user wants a two column layout with a three column footer. And I don't have the ability to say "No, that is just silly."
The HTML document looks like some Frankenstein monster. It has a style section plus inline styles, conditional tables that get created if the person is using Outlook. Tables are no longer nested, they are rat's nested and some of the tables only being there some of the time makes it that much harder to keep an eye on what is happening.
And all of this being sent from a system that is stripping out some of my HTML or better yet replacing it with what it thinks is better. 
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RJOberg wrote: I have to add that responsive email design makes me want to change my profession.
Email was never supposed replace a web page. Most of those things done are done for security to A: stop email harvesting and B: to prevent injectable attacks and C: probably just to annoy us.
Just use minimal formatting, if they want a web experience, then toss in a link. Or just offer a plain text version. All you need is word wrap.
Jeremy Falcon
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You have clearly never had a marketing department as a client. 
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Fair enough. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Pualee wrote: You have clearly never had a marketing department as a client.
All marketing can come up with is brochures. In that spirit, just print the freakin' thing to a PDF.
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I wish the minimal formatting was an option. And yes, all of those changes were made for a reason. But this is a newsletter that needs to have images, and pictures, and links, and... well you get the point. Plus it needs to look good in any email client the recipient might use.
If the industry would just agree on one freakin standard and nuke Outlook from orbit I'd be much happier. I'd settle for nuking Outlook if agreeing on a standard isn't an option.
I wish I could use anything that resembled a best practice, but when your customer has important enough to dictate their requirements you tend to do your best to make that happen.
I am making the argument for a single column layout since that would simplify so much. Still leaves the Outlook problem but it gets rid of so many other problems.
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RJOberg wrote: If the industry would just agree on one freakin standard and nuke Outlook from orbit I'd be much happier. I'd settle for nuking Outlook if agreeing on a standard isn't an option.
Last I heard JSOP would like to help make Outlook just "disappear" a reality. So far your goal is two strong. In time, who knows.
Jeremy Falcon
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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I say that like Outlook can kiss its sorry ass goodbye
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Outlook has been good to me, since around 2007 or so, on the few occasions I've had to use it. But I've never had to code around it.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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RJOberg wrote: But this is a newsletter that needs to have images, and pictures, and links, and... well you get the point
And I am soooooo happy Outlook does block this crapware I am being sent to.
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I'm happy it blocks that crap too. In fact most of the people out there block it, last stat I saw was something like 2/3 of of email users block images and other multimedia by default.
But it doesn't matter. 
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I wish I could upvote this 100 times.
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Why thank ya.
Jeremy Falcon
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Because you're welcome. 
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RJOberg wrote: Outlook thinks we are still using IE8 ...
As of Outlook 2007, it uses Word to render the HTML, so it's actually closer to IE5.5
There used to be a site[^] campaigning for Microsoft to fix this, but it seems to be dead now. The Twitter account[^] hasn't posted since 2009.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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You should introduce them to wonderful technology called plain text emails. They look greater on any client/system/device.
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That's one of the reasons that services like MailChimp prosper.
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Haven't you ever wondered why commercial e-mails are nothing but graphics?
Format your text, take a snapshot, and stick it in. Job done, for 90% of the content.
For the rest, use plain text, as much as possible.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Luckily it wasn't trapped by only it's front feet...
veni bibi saltavi
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