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Why is it called "Alcoholics Anonymous" when the first thing you do is stand up and say "Hi, my name's Joe and I'm an alcoholic"?
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I have a friend who's in NA. He has a horrible habbit of telling me, when he talks about someone, that that's how he knows them. I've told him more than once he doesn't have to tell me where he knows people from.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I assume that's Narcotics Anonymous, rather than he's embedded in Sodium?
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Or Not Available or Not Applicable. 
/ravi
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Could be Narcoleptic Anonymous? and would they be truly anonymous or not?, let's wake them and see.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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Given the amount of water in human body, he should be kept in petroleum if he were to be embedded in sodium
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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Yup, Narcotics Anonymous.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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That is what the anonymous part is supposed to be for. You are quite welcome to use any name you wish, so Griff's Joe need not really be called Joe, and he is supposed to have some confidence that others in the group don't run around outside of meetings telling everyone they know Joe from the AA/NA.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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That's an abysmal pseudonym. Quite fishy if you ask me.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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OriginalGriff wrote: Hi, my name's Joe and I'm an alcoholic
But your name isn't "Joe".
And if you've lied about that, I'm not 100% sure that you're an alcoholic, either. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Imagine the problem for mythomaniacs anonyms 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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I had a friend who was both mythomaniac and alcoholic. Just imagine.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Probably not. Between them I think Nagy and DD have drank everything on the island. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Because it's based on the same principles as Internet privacy.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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The alcohol stays anonymous. You don't say "Hi, my name's Joe and I'm addicted to Scotch Malt Whisky".
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Is the equivalent support group for people who just cannot stop talking called:
On and On Anon
A positive attitude may not solve every problem, but it will annoy enough people to be worth the effort.
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"Hello, my name is Joe, and that reminds me of when I was two, and my family................................"
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I'm wondering about the cheapest way to get into developing on the Mac platform -- focusing on creating AppStore applications.
I saw this item at Amazon
Apple Mac Mini MGEM2LL/A Desktop (NEWEST VERSION)[^]
I'm wondering how I can know if:
1. it comes with the most current version of the Mac OS (EDIT -- product detail mention Mac Yosemite)
1a. is the Mac OS free? not sure
2. Is it powerful enough to create basic AppStore applications and debug them?
3. Can I just buy any Intel based system and install Mac OS on it? (doubt it, but curious)
4. If I bought this, is it easy enough to remote desktop over to it? Maybe not RDP, but maybe I'd have to use VNC? Is it easy to do on a Mac?
Any additional information is appreciated. This is just a discussion and not a development-specific question and I hope it's okay.
thanks
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Although I don't develop for Macs anymore, what I know is:
1a: Yes, all upgrades are free (If you mean FOSS, the guts mostly are but the UI isn't).
2: Yes
3: No.
4: Not sure, but I think so. The Finder (UI layer) is proprietary, the guts are essentially BSD. XCode, the development environment that's equivalent to VS, is extremely powerful and free. You download it directly from Apple.
According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.
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I have a mac notebook from years ago. But the O/S upgrades were really cheap like 20 bucks or something. They may be free now, I haven't looked in a while.
The licensing agreement keeps you from installing it on any other hardware other than apple hardware. You will wind up upgrading your hardware every few years, 5 maybe. I can't upgrade mine past snow leopard. Told ya it is old. Which means that I can't make iPhone/iPad apps past ios version 4.
Mine still works great and I use it for surfing and email mostly.
Microsoft has a very good RDP client for use when on the mac and heading to windows. I use teamviewer to remotely work on mine. I never had much luck with vnc, always seem slow and buggy to me. Probably just me though.
I also use Synergy to connect my window 8 laptop keyboard and mouse to the mac when I am at home. It works pretty well.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
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Thanks for taking time to provide the information. Great info to get an idea of what to expect.
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Let me add an upvote for the TeamViewer Reference.
With Dual monitors on my main PC, I use TeamViewer to conenct to the mac mini.
I also installed a hardware monitor/kbd switch (and I have needed it a few times,
so it was worth installing). Decent little speakers (because no sound just seems wrong).
And I sent an email to Steve Ballmer, because after being a MSFT Windows users since the earliest days, Windows 8 on my wifes computer forced me to look at Macs!!! Her next computer will be a Mac.
And it is pretty straight forward after that. I am afraid to admit that I kinda like it!
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Great stuff thanks.
This morning I booted an old, old laptop using Puppy Linux from a USB flash drive.
It had everything I needed to do some work and only took 1 minute to get to the desktop and start working.
As a matter fact, I'm thinking Puppy Linux probably beats ChromeOS. Can't think of anything I would get from ChromeOS that would be better than Puppy.
Why do I say that?
I can definitely imagine switching to Mac, except I am a LONG-TIME Windows developer.
But, as the Web Ascends and as MS OSes die, that won't matter will it?
Great discussion and thanks for posting.
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Great answers. Very helpful and I appreciate your time.
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