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how, when I used a GPS, it took me long way almost always and to the wrong location frequently. How does that work out when the self driving cars insists you're at your location when it's nowhere in sight?
Wait - The Solution is at Hand!
We just need a prefix: Passengerless Self Driving Cars.
There. Everyone's problem's solved!
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Not until you add miniaturization.
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You select your destination => a car is assigned => you get in and it goes.
No buttons inside for the floors => just emergencies.
As of now, and it's been a few years => I still don't like it. (I have stopped clawing at the wall-plate, leaving bloody streaks trying to get out like a caged animal panic).
Pretty much I assume the hardware will more or less obey the software and I know how that will end up (especially if Agile development was used).
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There's one big difference: no other elevator is sharing the road with yours. 
/ravi
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That system ensures only one car occupies a position in a track at any time. Unfortunately this isn't (yet!) true for conventional vehicles and roads today.
/ravi
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Xaotiq wrote: I was just pointing out that elevators have gone to the next level and are no longer as simple as you suggested
You're right. (Nice pun, BTW!)
Xaotiq wrote: Well that sort of is the point of the software right?
Not only the software. The hardware and software of the advanced elevator you linked to were developed in tandem. In the case of self-driven vehicles, they have to contend with existing roads and other drivers. I would trust your elevator, but not a self-driving car - at least not yet.
/ravi
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PMSL! It will be a few years before they (self-driving cars) can handle that! Not until everything is self-driving ... they'll have no chance contending with the newly-imported taxi drivers (by which I mean the ones who seem to forget we drive on the left every time they go across the d**n thing.
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As a developer I would try it as I am interested in how it works and how the system would behave.
But I wouldn't want self-driving cars to be sold commercially. Maybe only to people that would really need them - like someone who needs aid driving a car or someone who has made an infraction that would warrant this(drunk driving comes to mind).
This has the potential to go wrong, as the companies can get more control over the user of the car. Maybe I'm paranoid but with all the NSA/Facebook information exchange and similar cases I don't want someone to be able to control my car that directly.
Edit: Not to mention potential "hackers" hijacking cars.
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RUs123 wrote: I don't want someone to be able to control my car that directly.
Which is why I will NEVER buy a GM car ever again.
The damn thing has OnStar built in - so thoroughly integrated that it can't really be removed. They can not only monitor your cars location but can slow it down, stop it, etc., as well. And, of course, the two-way voice communication: how does one know that no one is listening? (See SamSung smart TV issues if you think I'm just my usual paranoid self).
All this - and I never 'pushed the blue button' to enable the thing.
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Wow, I didn't know that was already made. I mean it could prove very useful if someone steals your car or if you are in need of assistance and I generally see this as a good thing.
But seeing how many inventions we have misused, there will be a time when that technology will be used against us. Well I hope not - I do have some optimism, but the possibility is there.
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Except they won't take "NO" for an answer and have misused it already.
And if they lie about not continuing to misuse it - what will happen to them? A blister on their tongue?
Don't you see a real problem in them selling me a car and then not giving me ownership of it?
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Yes I agree with you actually. What I meant to emphasize with my previous comment is exactly that which you have written. If they lie about the misuse, nothing will happen. So it's easy to market something like that, you know for security, safety etc. and then use it for your own purposes.
Even though it would truly prove useful in a handful of extreme circumstances, mostly it opens a door for misuse and giving up freedom for safety may not be noticeable at first but it quickly leads to a very bad situation.
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Oh my god, we've had GM tomatoes, GM microbes, now GM f'ing cars.
Where will it end 
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Unfortunately, unless you want to drive a classic car anyway, all the other auto makers are drinking the same koolaid and adding LTE modems and "value added" services on top of them similar to what OnStar's been doing for the last 20 years. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Depends on where they have test driven the car - which country(ies), which city(ies), which particular road(s), ...
Does it include my city, my favorite (?) road there.
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We already jump inside self driving aeroplanes so what's the problem about cars?
Most flights are 100% controlled by software and pilots are there for the edge cases or to land and take off when they are bored
IMHO, we're still pretty far from having self-driving cars broadly available, but we're getting there.
I think the main problem is not for who's inside the car but for those outside.
Think about it, would you normally cross the road as you do today but in front of a self-driving car?
Think about insurances
If the freaking car crashes, who's fault is it? 
If it accidentally runs over someone, who's fault is it?
There's also the pleasure of driving...
For long distances, cruise-control already does wonders, but I like to drive.
I would still require a car with an "auto-off" mode.
There's also the traffic problem...
Self driving cars won't solve traffic issues. You won't have to drive in the queues but you'll still have them. You'll still waist time there.
All these initiatives are geek but if there were more investment in public transportation like trains and subways (that are already safe self-driving vehicles) then the quality of life of people would really increase.
So bottom line, I'm much more in favor of self-driving public transports than this kind of "imposed" geek hype about single self-driving cars that solve probably none of our big traffic problems.
Cheers!
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AlexCode wrote: Self driving cars won't solve traffic issues. You won't have to drive in the queues but you'll still have them. You'll still waist time there.
Not necessarily. Smart cars can talk to each other, and adapt routes to maximise flow in ways that manual drivers can't.
There has been a lot of research into queuing and such like, and it comes up with surprising results like traffic jams form for no reason[^] and slowing traffic speeds up the flow of traffic: hence the variable speed limits you get on some UK motorways.
It's a complex issue - but if you have "smart" cars you can coordinate them to vastly improve road usage and reduce jams considerably, if not even eliminate them.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That is true but experience tells me that if the traffic is better more people will take their cars instead of the public transports.
On top of the traffic jams you also have the parking issues that won't be solved even if your car is smart enough to drop you and go park itself.
So still I think that no major issue will be solved with self-driving cars.
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I could tell it to go park itself at home, or any place within 5 miles or so. When I want it to come pick me up, it's only a smartphone message away...
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That's a good idea but if everyone did it, it would cause even more traffic 
Again, it's geek but, in my opinion, doesn't solve any of the big city traffic problems.
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I wouldn't say "for no reason". While there isn't an obvious one to see, there are probably more cars on the road than it should be able to handle. If you take into account that you need (or want) 2 seconds of time between each car and some people react faster than others. I'd say if every car and every driver would react exactly the same way there wouldn't be a traffic jam in this case. But as humans aren't flawless only computers could provide that.
If you're in a traffic jam yourself it's usually better to keep your car rolling slowly as the cars behind you are very likely to do the same, thus bringing back some kind of flow back.
Having "smart" cars that coordinate themselves to use various routes to improve the road usage would probably also help but it isn't necessarily the thing that has the biggest impact.
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