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... and all I got was a lousy T-Shirt.
Yes, it is true that I came up with the first-ever used i[ProductOrService] used at Apple.
What was it? iHug
What did it stand for? International Hypercard User Group (circa 1989).
So, now ya know (to totally ignore such a non-important message).
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As far as they do what I need... I don't really care.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Im just wondering why Apple recive such "bad" ratings.
I'm thinking on Logic, FinalCut, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Xcode and Yosemite. In my opinion these are the best software products i've ever seen.
I'm not writing this because i'm an Apple-Fanboy or something like that.
I saw the discussion "Apple vs. Microsoft" so often in different forums that i slowly begin to belive that many of the Users read "Apple", "OS X", "iPhone", "i..." and immediately say "[Apple, OS X, i...] is bullshit" and give a negative rating to Apple products on such surveys.
Please correct me if i'm wrong with this adoption.
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On the strength of this technology alone, MS gets my vote.
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And furthermore, the average should be weighted. Microsoft's avg should be multiplied by 0.
Marc
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I want to see the standard error of the mean to accompany these results, along with an ANOVA or a couple of t tests to see whether or not the differences are statistically significant. Means alone are fairly useless.
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I thought Apple would be in second place and Google in last. Still, they're pretty much even son I'd say is accurate.
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What number Microsoft would be?
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If I considered Apple in second and Google in last then Microsoft would be in first.
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You know ... like you can an article.
The reason I'm asking is this survey has several bad points about it:
- Why only these 3 companies? I use very few programs from any of them. And then only when forced to use those.
- Even if I used their programs more regularly, it's much too broad a survey. There are absolute gems each make, and utter dog faeces, and every conceivable level if shininess / stink in-between those extremes.
- Feels like
not much NO thought put into this survey. Very rude!  - Would user experience surveys be correct on a site like this?
- Would it not be better to survey stuff like API's / IDE's / integrations/ etc? From those on CP (i.e. mostly programmers) and the user approval surveys on some site like FB/Twit?
modified 28-Jan-15 0:46am.
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Well kind sir, you did just rate a survey and your input may very well instigate a more in depth survey in the future. However, once we get outside our work environments, it is these three companies that dominate conversations in instances where the conversation turns to the subject of using a computer and I believe there is a lot of value in these survey results. As a tester with no dev experience or training, I am always pleased when my votes match the CP community.
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Awesome. Looking forward to a more in depth survey, though I fear there might be a hindrance to that: Few people actually use more than one program of any type constantly, so answers would be biased more along the lines of "What do you use" as opposed to "How do you compare these relatively?" Not that such results aren't useful in themselves also, just that the tendency would be to indicate the former and not the later no matter how you state the question.
Take an example of an email client (I'd forget about web browsers - been done to death with no clear winner every time): Outlook, Apple Mail, GMail (and then in my case I'd add Mozilla's Thunderbird, someone else might say "What about Evolution, Claws Mail or any of a huge list of email clients[^]?"). How many do you think use more than one of those? Perhaps GMail might be an exception as many might use it on mobiles while they use one of the others on desktops/laptops. Even IT-nerds might only have used the others once or twice as a test run, found their favourite and then stuck with that.
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Not really: the survey worded as it is measures the "trust" us developers put into these firms regarding the quality of the software. Do we, IT professionals, trust more an unknown product from Apple, one from Google or one from MS? On average which one do you believe to provide better software?
Actually surveys too convolved or with too many choices rarely yield valuable informations.
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irneb wrote: I use very few programs from any of them.
Are you saying your phone isn't iOS, Windows, or Android?
And that your tablet isn't either?
Because the market share for anything other than those three is really tiny these days.
As far as browsers go IE (MS) and Chrome (Google), are the "major players" (http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php[^]) with Firefox next (but they don't make anythign else) and Safari (Apple) following but a long way down.
You want word processor, spread sheet, database, ...? Same kind of thing: same companies at the top, with Open Office in there replacing Mozilla.
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Exactly what I was saying: Such a survey would at best only give an indication of the amount of people using one or another. Not how well they rate the software (because most wouldn't ever have used an alternative in anger if at all - thus no way to actually make more than a subjective comparison).
And no, my phone used to have the Samsung version of Android, but I've since installed my own custom mod (still Android though, but I wanted to get rid of all the cr@p ware packaged with Samsung + Google and only have the apps which I want). Don't have a tablet as my phone doubles for that too.
As for my PC's: At home (main PC) Kubuntu 64bit 14.04, with VMs for FreeBSD, Win7 pro, Win10. Firewall/NAS/Gateway/Media Server - Lubuntu 32bit 14.04. Laptop Win7 pro. My only reason to still have Windows is because of Revit, I cannot find a similar program in any other OS - same reason that at work I'm also stuck on a Win7 PC. For all other programs I'm using none of those 3 software companies, e.g.:
- On the PC
- Browser = Firefox
- Email = Thunderbird
- Office = LibreOffice
- Raster Edits = Gimp
- CAD = BricsCAD (on Linux) and AutoCAD (on Windows)
- Media Player = Kodi
- Music Library Manager = Amarok
- Video Edit = Avidemux / Pitivi
- DotNet IDE = SharpDevelop (inside Revit) and MonoDev everywhere else
- JVM IDE = Eclipse
- Other Programming = Emacs / LightTable / Qt
- On the phone
- Browser = Dolphin
- Email = K4-Mail
- eBooks = Calibre
- Maps = Waze
- Video = Kodi
- CAD = AutoCAD 360
So you see my point? Other than Android and Windows I use none of their software.
modified 30-Jan-15 1:20am.
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The surveys are meant to be straw polls, not rigourous scientific surveys. Making the survey as comprehensive and water-tight as you suggest would end up with a big TL;DR from those arm-chair voters out there.
If you wish to suggest a survey, go for it.[^]
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I've never really used an Apple product except iPod Classic and iTunes. I love the iPod, but they took mine out of production (160GB). I really really really really really really really really really REALLY HATE iTunes. Worst software product ever. By far. It doesn't get any worse. Seriously. Any company that makes iTunes deserves my 1 vote. What's so bad about it? Well... What isn't, really? It syncs the wrong way, removing songs from my iPod and it auto-tags my MP3's, doing all my hard work undone. I also couldn't get used to the interface. And it needs this other crappy Apple software to run. Some update service or something.
I've used a Macbook for about an afternoon and I also didn't like that, but that's probably because I'm more used to Windows.
I know some people who bought Apple products (mainly iPhones) and for some reason they all broke. That might be a coincidence, but the "it just works" doesn't seem to hold up.
Anyway, from what I've seen the quality and pricing is so far off I wish I could vote another 1...
Would they still produce my iPod Classic with 160GB I'd probably voted a 2 
But enough with the Apple bashing 
Windows makes very decent stuff nowadays. I loved the Windows Phone. To bad it's not getting picked up by app makers and vendors of services, so I switched to an Android. True, Windows 8* was awful, but Windows 10 seems to go in a right direction again. Loved Visual Studio 2013 and the Community Edition! And they're open-sourcing everything or making it free, which I can appreciate
IE remains the worst browser out there. Looking forward to Spartan!
Gave them a whopping 4!
Google is somewhere in the middle. I like Android, but I like it less than Windows Phone. Chrome is my favourite browser, but only because I dislike the competition.
Gave them a 3, which is not bad.
Again, iTunes is the worst. I'm getting mad even thinking about it. Grrrr... 
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I'd swear Apple makes their software (iTunes and Quicktime) run like crap on Windows on purpose.
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Agreed
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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I couldn't agree more with you. Spot on.
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Sander Rossel wrote: iTunes. Worst software product ever.
Not that I have anything good to say about iTunes, but you have obviously never had the privilege of working with Lotus Notes or SharePoint if you think iTunes is the worst software product ever
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All 3 are doing pretty darn good. Still room for improvement but still very good.
Each has a couple things that make you scratch your head but the vast majority of their stuff is solid.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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I really disagree.
Try using Apples Numbers like a real spreadsheet. yeah, it is cool of you want to spend some time formatting something small. But use it as an alternative to Excel... No thanks. Or, like me, don't open the App store for about 2 weeks. Then open it, and WAIT FOREVER for it to download God knows what.
On the Microsoft Front... Office 365 with major incompatibilities in viewing and handling various of their OWN document formats, and missing key features (watched a 2,000 user client admit they can't switch due to incompatibilities with their existing documents, despite them WANTING more tablets and Macs to be available to the users).
Google... For 2 years I have put up with document preview in GMail that was skipping an entire paragraph in my word file. They just fixed it. Their PDF support ignored errors and displayed a PDF just fine, except even Acrobat refused to read it... No mention that the file had issues. Errors are being ignored.
Oracle? Lets see, the came out with a MINOR Patch Release (11.02.03 -> 11.02.04) that BROKE a public API (Thin Client Connections). Not to mention NOT fixing Java Issues, AND THEN suing over Google using the Java API... (as if that is a thing, and one hopes it NEVER becomes a thing).
I say they are average at best. I would prefer to see HALF as much software progress, and TWICE the software quality from all of them.
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