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We're discussing changes to the member reporting system and I wanted your input as a sanity check.
At the moment when a member's account is closed due to reports, it disappears. It's like it never happened and no one can prove anything. It's like we provide the alibi and the getaway car.
We're going to change this so that if an account is closed due to a member or members reporting that account, a list of all those who reported the account will be shown. I would be proud to have my name shown as the one who stopped a spammer in their tracks, and I'd also be happy to hold my head up if I had to close an account of a member who was being abusive and disruptive.
Not everyone feels the same, however, and so I'm expecting some members will stop reporting spammers/abusers when this change is made. That's fine, as long as there are members still willing to do the right thing.
So my question is: Do you feel these changes will have a net positive or net negative effect on our site's membership and its ability to control spam and abuse?
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Chris Maunder
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Net positive I think.
Chris Maunder wrote: it disappears. It's like it never happened
I hope that the database continues to hold the data whether it's made public or not.
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I would consider making it an option on showing there name and maybe giving a little more weight to those that do.
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This defeats the purpose.
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Chris Maunder
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Want me to vote him down for you? Say the word and he's gone. 
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Chris,
I do not think it does (or more correctly, that it has to)
As a NEW user, I would not feel confident with that information showing up.
But after a year or two, I think it would be a badge of honor.
Is there any way to tie this to the members choice + their rank?
(The demi-gods on the forum cannot opt out. But us lowly servants can?)
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Making it a choice defeats the purpose.
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Chris Maunder
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Positive, I think.
Yes, there will be those who retaliate - but I suspect that they do that against those they suspect of downvoting / abuse voting then anyway.
If it introduces a realisation that the authority to do something comes with responsibility to use it appropriately, then it can only be a good thing.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I agree.
The first step in the acquisition of wisdom is SILENCE, the second is LISTENING, the third MEMORY, the forth, PRACTICE and the fifth is TEACHING others!
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Negative. It creates a potential for retaliatory responses (which in turn would create a blood feud between various cliques).
Whichever clique is the biggest wins, everyone else becomes an outsider.
Positive. It creates a form of self government so the hamsters don't have to monitor everything.
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So um... I guess the question is... Is this the best form of stopping abuse? I'm not sure it is, but I don't have any other suggestions that don't include manual effort by the staff.
Wouldn't it be possible to track which accounts were closed unjustly (based on response from the closed account) and then see who is abusing power...
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Pualee wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to track which accounts were closed unjustly (based on response from the closed account) and then see who is abusing power...
I agree. Is it a big enough issue that something needs to be done?
Good points all around. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Pualee wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to track which accounts were closed unjustly (based on response from the closed account) and then see who is abusing power...
Yes, and we have this already.
However it feels...undemocratic, for want of a better word. We see who does it, we talk to them, they do it again. We nuke their account and no one sees the debate or the reasons.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: t feels...undemocratic
Democracy gave us George Bush (both of them), Tony Blair and Vladimir Putin.. perhaps it's not all it's cracked up to be? 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Or as Churchill is claimed to have said: "Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
But then he also said: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Democracy gave us George Bush
You seem to have a different understanding of American politics than I do.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: American politics
Okay, I'll give you that one 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I think some will probably think twice before reporting something, which might not be a bad thing.
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When I vote, I vote for a reason. If I can't back it up, I shouldn't dish it out. So, go for it.
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I think it'll be a net positive, but I do worry about retaliation. I think the net positive will be that since your name will be published, then only those who have a legitimate beef will report the account.
The retaliation could probably be minimized by listing the reporting members *only when* the account is closed.
In addition, perhaps you should require a reason or comment.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: only those who have a legitimate beef will report the account
Theoretically, yes, but I think a lot will just think it's not worth the potential hassle to report something, even if they have a legitimate issue with it (not rocking the boat, and all that).
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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That doesn't change what I said at all.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Reporters should NOT be made public; only visible to the administrators/moderators.
If made public, then it will be a constant battle between self-appointed vigilantes and the different "gangs"
Reports should have "weights"; a new user can report users; but it will have less impact then a higher-level user reporting a user.
Reporting an abusive user should be "difficult" and blocking abusive users should be done in a serious manner; and follow a known set of rules.
Reporting spammers is easy, and it is easy for moderators to handle those.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Go Chris, go.
I fully agree with Pete on this.
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Whether positive or negative (only time will tell), I do however promote public accountability.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: public accountability
And this, in a nutshell, is what it's all about.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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