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OriginalGriff wrote: Now, they are hideous, resource swallowing monsters that do more damage when you try to remove them than all the viruses they protect from.
The fate of most for-purchase software, unfortunately. If your job is to sell the latest version of your product, then your latest version better have some value that exceeds the previous version. In our industry that usually equates to "more features".
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OriginalGriff wrote: I don't use Defender (I consider Win8 a virus in it's own right  ) but I do use Security Essentials
I'm assuming that if you use Security Essentials, you're on 7.
Honest question: What makes Win8 "a virus in it's (sic) own right") that isn't already part of Win7?
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The way it takes all the good bits, and either throws them away, or make them harder to use?
Don't get me wrong, it's probably a good OS for a tablet, but for desktop it's a PITA...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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In all fairness, 8.1 is a lot better about it. I'm used to it and like it now. And I don't run many metro apps at all.
Jeremy Falcon
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Not sure if you were actually talking about Windows 8.0 or 8.1. As Jeremy wrote, 8.1 is a lot better, and I also don't use any Metro app.
OriginalGriff wrote: Don't get me wrong, it's probably a good OS for a tablet, but for desktop it's a PITA...
How's this then for a compromise: I use it on an actual tablet, but use it as if it were a desktop.
The only system on my desk is a first-gen Surface Pro (came with 8.0, updated to 8.1). It's hooked up to my mouse/keyboard/3 monitors with a USB dock; using that setup, I practically live in RDP (I remote into VMs running on another system in the house).
With enough desktop and taskbar shortcuts, I honestly see the start screen maybe 3 times a day. At this point I don't see it as being much different than any previous incarnation.
Point is: Not only is it flexible enough that you can completely ignore the tablet-specific features, but I'm ignoring those tablet-specific features on an actual tablet. Mind = blown.
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Well, the way things are going in the States with their 10 million new illegal aliens bringing back Tuberculosis, Polio, Mumps, Measles, etc...better safe than sorry.
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You left out ISIS infiltrators with Ebola.
«A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards ... as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push» Wittgenstein
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True, I hear there's Ebola in Mosul now...only a matter of time...
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And what about the alien DNA inserted into GMO vegetables ?
«A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards ... as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push» Wittgenstein
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It's been thought of...never saw Threshold? 
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Anyone else wonder
Nope.
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To the point. Nice.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well,
I mean, if your point was to confess that you had been socked in the face by a ransomeware virus and was trying to be self-deprecatingly meek so that some equally sorry sot would console you by offering a shoulder on which to cry, uhm ...
Sorry, too macho for that thought. You deserve what you get, my friend.
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RedDk wrote: You deserve what you get, my friend.
Except I don't get viruses. So, um, thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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I've been the same way for years. Nice to hear I'm not alone.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I don't see why a professional would need crap like that on their system
Agreed. 
/ravi
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Maybe because of my Age I'm maybe to conservative. I still use Sophos on all of my machines....ok, maybe because it is sponsored by my Company 
Bruno
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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I agree with you in general, but i think its better to keep a little safer those blunderers, which, though professional, are not professional/careful enough (in 2014, i still saw attached executables reaping their victims...  )
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Preferably ones with more money than brain cells?
There is a UK TV advert for a magazine giving you all the parts you need to build a 1:1 scale replica of the original movie prop Millennium Falcon : http://www.buildmillenniumfalcon.com/[^]
Nice one, yes? Only two drawbacks: each piece comes with a weekly (or monthly, I neither know nor care) magazine, and it's complete in 100 parts.
Did I mention that each issue is £8.99? So that model will cost you the thick end of £900, or nearly $1400. 
Are there really people out there stupid enough to do that? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: Are there really people out there stupid enough
Look around you ...
I guess in this specific instance the answer is a definite yes. These magazines pop up in the TV ads every year, often post-Christmas. I'd be interested to know how many people have stayed the course long enough to get even half way finished.
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Even half way is £450! 
I'm guessing "pester power" is the driving force, but it sounds like the same people who run "Wonga" and suchlike are behind it...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I think only DD has a suitable storage facility readily available.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Are there really people out there stupid enough to--
This is one of the few questions that, no matter how the sentence is completed, always has the same answer: YES.
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In all fairness, if they have that kind of money to throw around, they can't be that stupid. Unless they inherited it or use rent money to pay for it, but if it's extra cash just hanging around I say go for it if you got it. Life's too short to not be a little crazy - even if it's really nerdy and will scare away every chick on the planet.
Jeremy Falcon
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It would be a real deal if it really were 1:1 scale[^]. The original was made of wood and probably was destroyed after they shot Star Wars.
Edit: The picture actually looks like they were building a new falcon for The Empire Strikes Back.
Looks like the original Star Trek shuttle prop[^] survived, but it did not age very well.
By the way, that company has been selling that kind of stuff for years. I remember them featuring a kit of the Titanic, the battleship Bismarck and a functional robot kit. It's always the same: The first issue costs one buck and then you have to buy each issue at full price the next two years.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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