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Peter Shaw wrote: I guess i gotta step in and save all your asses then
Swig looks cool, but I really do not want to be coding in JavaScript as the primary language, especially on the server-side, which is also why I'm not particularly interested in node.js, though at some point I'll take a poke at is.
Marc, the Biased
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It's not as bad as it looks Marc
and this is coming from someone who'd still write everything directly in ASM if it was an accepted route...
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Peter Shaw wrote: and this is coming from someone who'd still write everything directly in ASM if it was an accepted route...
Heh. I'm with you there!
I did take a closer look, and yes, it doesn't look that bad. What I'd love though is for a proper "page designer" that would just figure out all the damn CSS, HTML, model, and "view-code" for whatever view engine I want to use. Doing web development is like going back to the stone ages. Or probably more accurately, being thrown into the cockpit of a 747 and told to land the plane with a 50 MPH crosswind on instruments alone.
Marc
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I might actually be able to help you there... well if I ever get the project I started finished one of my many temporarily abandoned ones.
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Peter Shaw wrote: I might actually be able to help you there...
Landing a 747? 
Actually, I'm using Razor at the moment for a fun little pro-bono project, putting together a website for the Dartmouth MA Department of Public Works -- did we talk about that before? If you want to get involved, the code base is here[^] and the website is here[^] -- takes forever to spin up. I'm looking into Razor Generator[^] to speed up the first-time page loads.
Marc
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That too....
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Hello everyone !, Please Help !
I'm going to insert IP Address Control to List Control Column.
How Can I Insert IP Address Control to List COntrol?
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Step 2) try to be a bit more clear on what your asking... if you sledgehammer a question, you'll get sledgehammer responses.
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First, take a deep breath. Most everyone has gone through the "first time" experience. Remember that it's OK if you List a bit and lose control.
Marc
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Every once and awhile I run across a link where the site insists that I sign in with a paid subscription account in order to view the article. If I cannot get around the block (turn off JavaScript, etc) then I simply leave the site.
I'm not paying to read some idiot's analysis of the news.
It would make sense to pay for the news if there was one site out there but the fact is I can get access to hundreds or thousands of opinions on a particular news item. Why would I pay to read an article in the Financial Times about ISIS when I could read about it in a Syrian newspaper?
I really think the paid news sites just haven't quite caught onto how the internet works yet. For example, I've two books on my shelf that I'm studying and I've contacted the authors of each book with additional questions and I've received responses. They want me as a fan so I buy their next book and I want answers. It is next level access for free that works great.
I get the feeling the old paper mags, in trying to go to the web, still don't get it.
Do you pay for your news?
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I don't.
And because I don't want to see any news I wish no one would provide free news.
modified 10-Nov-14 21:42pm.
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"But just because he doesn't do what eveybody else does..."
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No. I can get everything that I need for free; BBC, CNN, Telegraph, etc., etc. Printed media is so 20th century and the web sites that cling to the rather quaint notion that people will pay for what you can easily get for free is rather sweet.
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I only pay for something when i very need it and cannot find it at other sources.
In code we trust !
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I get enough "news" shoved onto my phone that I rarely have to go hunting for rubbish to read. The various mandatory news/information/garbage feeds on a samsung device are a bloody good argument for rooting a phone!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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No. All the news I need to know I get reading the Lounge.
For example, as far as I can tell, no network reported that Jack Bruce died. Codeproject did.
QED.
That reminds me. I need to find my Cream DVD.
What we got here is a failure to communicate
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The almost only place I read is:
http://www.codeproject.com/Insider.aspx[^] and it is free
About the rest of the news... I only read very few ones.
Just to know that the world is crazy and the people is even crazier... not worth.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I've bought newspapers my whole life, and that patronage has paid the salaries of reporters.
If you think all news is free, you're mistaken. It takes a lot of people a lot of time to research and present news to consumers, and people who will give that time for free are people with their own agendas, so you can't trust their words.
Journalism in general, the Wizard of Id's "Golden Rule" applies: He who has the gold makes the rules.
a. If I and a million people like me are paying a little each for the news to be produced, we make the rules (with our feedback).
b. If one person/organisation/corporation is paying the whole cost, they make the rules (and any feedback from us is strictly edited in their favour).
I prefer option a.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I didn't claim that news was generated without cost.
Mark_Wallace wrote: If you think all news is free, you're mistaken. It takes a lot of people a lot of time to research and present news to consumers, and people who will give that time for free are people with their own agendas, so you can't trust their words.
If you think that the news for which you pay is any less biased than asking an anonymous stranger on the street than I'll leave you to that opinion. I've seen more than one news report (covering areas of my expertise) that were so one sided - so biased - so inflammatory and flat out wrong that I stopped watching news programs on TV altogether.
Paying for news doesn't make it trustworthy - that is an odd view for sure.
Usually paying for information implies corruption of one sort or another.
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MehGerbil wrote: If you think that the news for which you pay is any less biased than asking an anonymous stranger on the street than I'll leave you to that opinion.
You shouldn't, because it's an incorrect opinion -- and you are showing your own bias by having incorrectly interpreted my words in that way.
The difference is: Is the bias honest, because the writer has an opinion; or is the bias dishonest, because the writer is being paid to manipulate you.
Nobody would buy a newspaper that didn't share their own biases, but free news doesn't have genuine biases; its biases are based on how much it is being paid to be biased -- i.e. instead of giving you honest opinions, it is babysitting you.
If you prefer being manipulated by such people to being spoken to as an equal by your peers, then more fool you -- seriously.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It reads as if you are asserting that payment for the news (by the masses) translates to some level of honesty that exceeds that of news source funded by a single person (or group). If I mis-read that I apologize - I'm probably missing your point.
In the unlikely event that is the case I can cite several examples where major news organizations (paid by the masses) have demonstrated a dishonest bias (lied, buried evidence, ignored the story) - while free news sources (blogs, etc) got the story exactly right.
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MehGerbil wrote: I'm probably missing your point.
You did. I didn't say that your paying for it makes them honest; I said that your paying for it means that they have to give you what you want, not what some "investor"* wants.
If a million people want a right-wing newspaper, and pay for one where the journalists express a right-wing bias, then those journalists can't just infiltrate "bought" left-wing material into it to make their sponsors happy -- they have to keep a thick wall between sponsors/advertisers and editorial content.
That works vice-versa for left-wing papers, of course, and for any other conflicting opinions/viewpoints.
It's the paying public that dictates what you publish, because if you don't publish what they're interested in, they won't buy it -- and Thou Shalt Not break their trust by insinuating paid conflicting material in sheeps' clothing
In free news, that "separation of church and state" ethic does not exist, so the publishers are free to put anything they want into their "stories", so you end up with what is known as "native advertising": articles that pretend to be stories, but are really nothing more than lengthy adverts for products/political opinions/etc.
MehGerbil wrote: I can cite several examples where major news organizations (paid by the masses) have demonstrated a dishonest bias (lied, buried evidence, ignored the story) - while free news sources (blogs, etc) got the story exactly right.
I dare say you can, but, to take an extreme example, I don't want to read that Paris Hilton loves her family very much and treats them very sweetly; I want either to not read about her at all, or to read how she behaves like a tramp.
Readers don't care which is more right; they want what they want, and, as a journalist, you are honour-bound to provide it (if it's true).
So bias is OK, in journalism, because everybody is biased, and you write for your readership -- as in my example: don't lie to me about the tramp, but don't tell me stuff about her that I don't want to read.
And don't try to promote beany-babies to JSOP by putting native advertising into a gun mag with them wearing Zapata moustaches and holding guns.
... Or do. He might get a laugh out of it.
* Yes, I am using that as a euphemism
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: You did. I didn't say that your paying for it makes them honest; I said that your paying for it means that they have to give you what you want, not what some "investor"* wants.
I don't understand the importance of your distinction.
If I pay for it and they give me the bias I want or if I get it for free and read the bias I want in both cases I end up with news sanitized to appeal to my sensibilities.
You seem to hold to the idea that a paid news source is more honest.
I've seen no evidence that suggests that is the case.
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