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I thought that was the Mazda sound.
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When PIE were a lad, he had to push up hill, jump in and let it roll down the other side (a Rolls Canardly I think).
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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What, 'e 'ad Wheels!?!
LUXURY!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Oh, you had a floor did you? Well aren't we all fancy Mr My-car-has-a-floor.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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But the rain used to come in through the hole in the roof for the dinosaur's head!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I also used to say - "back in my days". But then I realized that I am still around; and "this is also my day".
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I was reading the description of something described as vintage on eBay yesterday and it said "many many years ago in the 1980s and 1990s".
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Oh my god I am not many many years old yet.. born in 1989.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Back in my day we didn't have air bags. No seat belts neither. Kids these days have gone soft, I tell ye.
But you also had to pedal it by foot and couldn't go more than 10 MPH anyway. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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How many of those are Linux admins or DBAs?
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All of them.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Whoever set up most of those photos should have his camera taken away, the majority are black beard with a black background, even some of the white bearded ones have white shirts on.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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None of them are photoshopped, but most of them ought to be.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Buncha slackers these days. They used to be truly epic.[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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#3[^] is a friend of mine. I'll let him know he's famous on CP now 
- S
50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Code, follow, or get out of the way.
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Continuing the tale of my diving into ASP.NET Razor for this Department of Public Works project...
jQuery is awesome
Mike Brind[^] is awesome. His articles on Razor and inline grid editor, even though they are for MVC 3, were invaluable. Got a full inline editing WebGrid up and running with add and delete row capability, all using jQuery's post and ajax functions, and using MVC 4. (I hope MVC 5 doesn't have such annoying breaking changes.)
Speaking of which AJAX is cool. I come from a background of maintaining an older Ruby on Rails app where everything requires a page refresh. Yuck. It is really really cool to be doing posts/gets to the server without having to reload the page.
C# / Razor is great. Ah, what a relief not to be working in RoR and using some "real" tools.
I also signed up for a really cheap web hosting service, we'll see how it goes before I give it a thumbs up/down indicator.
Also, after reading about how AngularJS 2.0 is a complete rewrite with no migration path from version 1.3, I've decided not to use it. For what I need, it looks like I might use a wee bit of knockout, but we'll see -- it may be that jQuery can handle all the functionality that I require.
One thing that's slightly annoying is that the view engine is so rigid. I really did love working with Slim/SASS in RoR, and it's unfortunate that the rendering engine can't be easily replaced.
I also find it interesting how easy it is to absolutely ignore the whole "model" part of MVC. Mike's examples use code embedded in the cshtml which as a certain convenience but which I don't like. That means then, if I put the C# code into the controller, I have to make the data available either through a ViewBag (which is where my learning curve is now) or a model (which I'll be migrating the code to next to learn the ins & outs of that.
And while Razor is great and the Html control wrappers are cool, it's really pathetic how to do anything user-friendly, you're pretty much coding in raw HTML.
Oh, and I hate style sheets. I want an editor that, when I mouse over a tag in the cshtml, it tells me what all the styles are that are being applied and allows me to click on the style so I can edit it in the css file. I thought I saw something like that somewhere once.
But I'm quite happy. Two days of concentrated effort have resulted in a grid that with a little polish will become a reusable mainstay component of this project. ![Jig | [Dance]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif)
Marc
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Glad it's working out. 
Marc Clifton wrote: I've decided not to use it. For what I need, it looks like I might use a wee bit of knockout, but we'll see -- it may be that jQuery can handle all the functionality that I require.
Just make sure your JS doesn't look like a big mess of DOM manipulation. It can be so much cleaner -- virtually zero DOM manipulation -- using something like Knockout.
Marc Clifton wrote: I also find it interesting how easy it is to absolutely ignore the whole "model" part of MVC. Mike's examples use code embedded in the cshtml which as a certain convenience but which I don't like. That means then, if I put the C# code into the controller, I have to make the data available either through a ViewBag (which is where my learning curve is now) or a model (which I'll be migrating the code to next to learn the ins & outs of that.
Yep. Personally, if the view is small; if there's just one or two pieces of data from the server I need, ViewBag.WhateverINeed = 42 does the trick. But for anything more than just a couple pieces of data, that's when I use the full View("Index", new MyModel(..)) bits.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Oh, and I hate style sheets.
Make sure you've got Mads Kristensen's Web Essentials[^] installed. It'll make your life so much easier!
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Make sure you've got Mads Kristensen's Web Essentials[^] installed. It'll make your life so much easier!
Wow, thanks for the info - I'll definitely do that!
Marc
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I use Mindscape web workbench[^] to do sass in visual studio. But it is starting to bog down as we've grown the number of files, so I might move to grunt at some point.
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Andy Brummer wrote: I might move to grunt at some point.
This[^] might be useful, then. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Thanks, that's one of the things that made me consider it. I use grunt for a number of tasks when I do wordpress development, and I've had less problems with it than I have with Visual Studio and nuget.
The simple fact that nuget needs a -safe switch says volumes.
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+1 for knockout -- easy to learn and use. Like angular, it can be applied to the DOM selectively so you can start out small.
IMHO the well argued catch-phrase "JavaScript is the Assembly Language of the Web" is mostly correct. CSS should also be included. The JS/CSS chaos is of course what's spawning all of these compilers, frameworks, and tools. The evolution of these higher level abstractions is still in its infancy (think fish with feet) so the ride is going to be rough for a while.
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