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I just got the latest email regarding price changes.
Are they really now just taking the p... £16.99 a month.
Don't know how this compares to other countries, but there has been a steady rise in the line rental price and struggle to see the justification. More like they keep ramping this element up as a revenue stream to make up for the 'broadband' loss of business to other companies (as they still have to fork out a line rental fee back to bt in the majority of cases).
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Depends what you get for your 16.99. Does that include phone line / just naked broadband or just to have a bit of copper connected to your house and no services?
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That is the base line rental, i.e. the two copper wires back to the cabinet......no services.
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A bit hard to compare. but in NZ we can get
- Naked Unlimited copper Broadband (no Phone) for $NZ79 Month
- Fibre unlimited broadband with phone $NZ89 Month.
There are cheaper plans based on capped data and fibre is not everywhere (being rolled out now in cities and larger towns) and for the likes of me out in the country air, just copper singing birds and the sweet smell of cow pads  .
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Doesn't seem that bad then.
76/19mb unlimited broadband including weekend calls including line rental = 87NZD
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The trend in NZ is slowly moving to naked broadband and no phone. Everyone just texting skyping etc etc. Only people who phone us is parents and marketing twats.
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RossMW wrote: marketing twats.
I don't get them anymore due to the wonder of TrueCall[^] can't think the last time I actually got a marketing or market research call.
I just checked the stats for the service and for the last 12 months:
Description # %
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Hung up during screening 657 69.8
Connected 172 18.3
Hung up - no message 35 3.7
Left a message 33 3.5
Hung up during ringing 28 3.0
Picked up at extension 6 0.6
Screened to voicemail - didn't leave message 2 0.2
Screened to voicemail - left a message 2 0.2
Zapped during screening 1 0.1
Rejected - incorrect code 1 0.1
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I only have a mobile phone nowadays as I didn't see the point in having a second phone and phone number. And as my mobile number isn't listed anywhere in the phone book I receive very few spam calls. I created a contact where I configured that this contact doesn't have a ringtone. So if a spammer (lets not differentiate them from the internet plague) call me he just goes to the "Unwanted" contact. Usually after they tried it 2-3 more times (without me noticing the call or disturbing me) they give up.
Only thing that doesn't work are suppressed numbers which I can't block. But if someone calls me more than once with that I cite the law that forbids their call and threaten them with legal action if they don't stop. (At least there actually is a law that prohibits such calls )
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Not defending the telcos - that's about the same as what it costs in Oz
But - seventeen quid a month to maintain the millions of miles of cable on which your two copper wires depend is expensive - and they need that money whether you buy your broadband from them or their competitors.
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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I haven't heard anything about baseline fees going up in the US (which include both the line itself and unlimited local calling); but between cord cutters and people who still have landlines moving more of their long distance talking to cell phones, I know the phone companies are being squeezed by falling revenue, while the dominant cost of service is from maintaining the lines themselves which is mostly fixed regardless of usage.
Here they're talking about shutting down the copper network in a decade or so. The FCC's doing preliminary planning while ATT/VZ are pushing hard for them to speed it up while hoping their copper doesn't completely fall apart before they're allowed to do so. Raising baseline costs significantly to reflect only serving half of all houses instead of almost all of them and that they're no longer able to heavily subsidize wire maintenance from long distance service would be the alternative to an early exit. It's also the option I'd prefer. I suspect the end result would be the same; but steadily rising prices as usage shares plummet would apply gradual pressure to users of legacy systems to migrate which would lead to less raging than a mass booting would.
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Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I always thought they were standing.
BDF
The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer.
-- PaulowniaK
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That is funny!!!
I'd rather be phishing!
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Oldie but goodie! 
/ravi
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The picture, or Mike?
Will Rogers never met me.
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/ravi
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Both
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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Jumped the shark. 
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Are you referring to anything in particular, or just Penny's horrible haircut?
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The whole sorry mess. Watched the first episode. Deleted the second and wiped it off my dvr schedule.
The Good Wife is the best thing on TV and I look forward to POI his evening.
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