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There was a representative for Plaid Cumry (Or however the hell it is spelled) foaming at the mouth on the wireless this morning. Now that Scotland is getting more or less devo-max she doesn't want Wales to become a second-rate country. Even before the vote surely that would have been an improvement.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Keith Barrow wrote: doesn't want Wales to become a second-rate country
that the problem with the welsh - no ambition
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Having grown up in North Wales, the biggest problem (and I classify myself as English, btw) is that for decades it was used as a dumping ground for benefits claimants from Merseyside, Manchester and the Midlands.
Take a trip anywhere along the North Welsh coast from Saltney to Llandudno and you'll be hard pushed to find a welsh accent.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Take a trip anywhere along the North Welsh coast from Saltney to Llandudno and you'll be hard pushed to find a welsh accent.
You're right. It's best to stick to the good areas like that.
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It's a resounding victory for Salmond, he has got exactly what he wanted without having to win a vote for it.
A young man in his late teens was living at home with his parents, he decided that he wanted to come and go as he pleased, he didn't want his parents messing with his stuff, he wanted them to give him more money, but he still wanted his mum to do his laundry and access to the fridge whenever he wanted it. So he told his mum and dad who, of course, said no. So he threatened to leave, he would move out, go and live on his own, and of course they just said "bless, he won't go, he couldn't cope, he knows he has it good here". But he kept pushing, he started looking for somewhere to live, left adverts for flat shares lying around the house, told them he was looking at places, and eventually told them he had found somewhere. And the panicked, they didn't want to lose him, so they said of course he could come and go as he pleased, they'd change the house, he could have his own front door into his own little suite of rooms, and they wouldn't go in, and of course if he left his dirty clothes by the connecting door then his mum would do it for him, and they would give him more money so he could have some independence from them, just as long as he stopped.
And that is exactly what Salmond has done to Cameron, played him like a pro.
When the referendum was first drawn up Salmond wanted the options to be In / Out / Devo Max. Cameron said no, in or out are the only options, he called Salmond's bluff, the Scots would never actually vote to leave, and he didn't want to give them anymore power, there was no need, they were going nowhere.
Except in the last week Cameron (and Clegg and Miliband) became extremely worried that the Scots might actually vote yes, they might actually go. So they panicked, and they promised Devo Max if the result was a No vote.
So now Salmond has the outcome he actually wanted, he gets to run a country but with the absolute security of Westminster picking up the tab and taking care of all the unpleasant, awkward bits. And he got what he wanted without having to win it in a vote.
Except of course the promise is one that none of them can actually deliver on, and attempts will be fought by English MPs.
The turnout was exceptional however, and it does show that if the electorate think they can actually affect their future by voting, and there is a real choice presented to them then they will be engaged, and they will vote.
It also highlights the identikit, reactionary, populist political parties that we currently have in the UK. There is no difference between the three main parties, there is no obvious difference in the future, there is no point to a vote.
This should show people that they need to demand real change, but they wont. They'll go back to the soporific main stream media, and let it control them.
Same as it ever was.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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If the 3rd option devo max was on the card, that would have been my vote......
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Next stop - Full blown Federalism . No pussy footing around . Its either that or completely scrap all the devolved powers. I would prefer the latter , but that ain't going to happen . So get ready for a new layer of government near you. Its the least worst option. The best would be if people grew up and realised what a parliamentary democracy is.We only need a few politicians to run the country . But since people are carried away by the illusion of engagement that modern communications gives , and they think that we live in a Democracy not a Parliamentary Democracy then Federalism seems to be the way forward .
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"If only .....we had a ...system....of self-consistent Rights.....we could call it....Capitalism!-Ford Prefect.
"Capitalism? Noooo, ha ha ha ! Resistance is useless...." - Vogon Guard
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Being half English and half Scottish it would have been a difficult decision for me, but since I currently live in the US I didn't have to make it.
I'm glad it was a "NO" result as I didn't want to be one of those multi-racial people who don't know which country they are really from. I'm from Britain!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Jes sayin'
« I had therefore to remove knowledge, in order to make room for belief » Immanuel Kant
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No
Just saying
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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According to the latest polls from CNN, we have 63.5% Yes, vs 57.9% No! 
Source[^]
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Yes, but the sampling error is +/- 8%. Send bacon.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I'm sorry Bill, first Catalans now... if you want to secede whatever you've got to get in the queue... 
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It is not in Bob's best interest for reasons of national security, that the Lounge get's its independence.
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Thanks, I have always wondered why Bob wore an orange codpiece.
cheers, Bill
« I had therefore to remove knowledge, in order to make room for belief » Immanuel Kant
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if you wondered that then my suggestion would be to seek medical advice - quickly
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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It already did. No-one noticed,
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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All the French-speakers could move to a site hosted from Quebec. 
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We'd prefer it if they move to a site hosted in the Falklands (with a 64Kb connection!)
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Bob is listening. 
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Yeah that sounds a little weird that his best friend was there.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: colliding with his best friend in freak jet ski accident
I didn't know that dogs could jet ski - no wonder they crashed. BAD doggie!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Munchies_Matt wrote: while she did what, painted her nails?
She had to do more than just paint them.
She broke two, while working on jet skis.
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