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ColborneGreg wrote: Listening to developers
I'm not talking about listening to developers, but about providing a sensible production environment to developers.
ColborneGreg wrote: is how Windows lost the game to Android.
Wow. Just wow. Please stick to the facts.
ColborneGreg wrote: Microsoft is dedicated to provide systems that do not store information about you, while also having a dedicated team to removing the exploits of the NSA.
Thats their official statement, and I'm even inclined to believe them, but it won't help if the US court decides against them. The US court has shown remarkably consistency in its utterly insane decisions regarding privacy and software in general, so I wouldn't be holding my breath on that one.
ColborneGreg wrote: Other Countries deny the use of American products as it provides money to the American economy.
BS. UK and Germany are both allies, and keen on strong economical relations. If anything, they've been using Windows before in spite of the cost. In China, MS sells Windows for next to nothing, just to ensure there's a solid user base for Office and other products which are the real cash cows.
ColborneGreg wrote: the productivity of Windows 8 on the desktop is tenfold over any other system
BS. The vast majority of developers oppose that statement, and even official MS sources admitted to most of the failures I'v pointed out before. Just look at the W9 preview.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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you wrote Quote: MS simply can't afford to alienate their most important support base: the developers
Aka listening to developers
Are you saying that Android does not have 90% of the global cell market share?
If you don't understand the concept of nationalism what is the point of arguing with you the politics of said concept?
Considering I use a multi monitor desktop, every other operating system forces me to interact with the primary monitor Windows 8 thanks to the charms bar allows users to interact with any monitor while the primary monitor is taken by a full screen app.
There are a million reasons why I can live life 1000 times more productive with Windows 8 then anything else - that is a fact.
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ColborneGreg wrote: There are a million reasons why I can live life 1000 times more productive with Windows 8 then anything else - that is a fact.
If that is what you call a fact, there is nothing left to discuss. 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Anything that someone derives meaning from and is explained by that person - is a fact by definition
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DOS: I spent more time playing with AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS trying to get the best memory config for a game, than I did playing the game...
Until DOOM of course. That consumed a year or two of my life.
WIN3.11: Introduced LANs that didn't need a full-time network admin and exploded networking into small companies. Remember what we had before it? Novell Netware command line interface, anyone? :ack: :spit:
Win95: Good for it's time, but over hyped by MS. Plug and Pray a big disappointment.
Win98: Better than 95 once you got it running properly.
Win2000 and ME: O. My. God.
No. Just No. 
XP: Good. Solid, quick, easy. Plug and Pray started to work.
Vista: Avoided. I'd like to say "wisely", but that would be a lie.
Win7: Best so far - it works, and doesn't have too many weird ones.
Win8: Oh dear. A phone OS trying to work on the desktop. Horrible to install, horrible to use. It may work well once you use it as a phone OS - but I use desktops so it can go sit in the corner and play with itself. Major mistake by MS, as the sales figures have shown. Only time since DOS4 that people have upgraded en mass back to the previous version to get rid of it...and the 8.1 patch was too little, too late.
Win9: Hopefully a goodie - but I think it will have to be to get over the Win8 debacle, in the same way the Win7 had to be with vista.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Windows 8 brings in System on a chip so whenever I install on a new machine there is not any drivers to be installed except for your favourite video driver.
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How many times do you think I install an OS on my machine?
Once, if I'm lucky.
So it doesn't matter to me how much easier Weight makes it to copy it from one machine to another, because I won't be doing it.
It doesn't matter how much "technically better" it may be if all it does in the real world is cause me more grief, more support calls from friends because "it doesn't work", or it's hard to install - which is true for a normal user.
XP, Win7 - they expanded and improved the user experience. Weight trashed it.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OK, ok; what about this.
Multi monitor support; desktop no touch.
Windows 7; Once a full screen game is playing on one screen nothing can happen on the other. (Many situations like this)
Windows 8; With a full screen metro game (such as halo) on one screen any thing can happen on the other screen while maintaining focus to both.
Civilization 5 on one screen and Hyper for Youtube on the other is a great way to waste an hour.
Using a desktop app in Windows 8 breaks this ability and is why the desktop sucks.
With a touch screen you can touch and control both apps at once, and with Kinect 2 - you can turn 50 inch screens into touch capabilities.
modified 4-Aug-14 15:00pm.
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ColborneGreg wrote: Windows 7; Once a full screen game is playing on one screen nothing can happen on the other.
True, but you can always run it in windowed mode, and actually take advantage of the additional screen(s)!
ColborneGreg wrote: With a touch screen you can touch and control both apps at once
Nobody here argues about the virtues of W8 for touch based devices - it's all about it's uselessness for touchless desktops!
ColborneGreg wrote: with Kinect 2 - you can turn 50 inch screens into touch capabilities
gesture-based input in general is not restricted to W8. Kinect, specifically, is restricted to the XBOX, and thus not available to Windows 8 desktop, nor Windows 8 tablets or phones. What's your point?
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Doesn't amtter at all - it's not a part of W8, and - as the link you gracefully provided points out - available even for non-Windows system. Your point contributes nothing to the "W8 is cr@p for the desktop" argument.
P.S.:
Still, thanks for the link, I wasn't actually aware Kinect (whatever version) was opened to other platforms. The article even points to an earlier one discussing its use on Windows, including Win XP: http://blog.3dsense.org/programming/programovani-s-kinectem-2-instalace-ovladacu-openni-pod-windows/[^]
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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An intermittant problem that shows up only when you're writing code at home, not at work. Crashes hard at home with all kinds of OutOfMemory failures, but the machine isn't out of memory or resources at all. Not even close.
After 5 hours of fruitless debugging, the painful part is where you facepalm yourself hard because you just realized that in a Parallel.ForEach your using around an I/O bound problem, you forgot to cap the number of threads it can create! The process bombed out at about 600 threads.
Whoops!
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Whoops!
Every great developer has said that before.
It's the terrible developers that never say that either because they don't know when they screw up or they won't admit it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Whoops
In code we trust !
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We have an application that automates the running of other applications we have that take data feeds from clients and process them. Automation uses a command line to kick of the different processing programs.
All of the sudden the automation starts logging an error even though the processing completes successfully. I finally track down the location of the line that is recording the log message. The code in automation scans the log file of the processing program for the string "error" and reports if it finds it. I look through the log files of the processing programs and everything looks normal, no errors being reported. After several more reports of this problem I am looking at the log file again and I finally find the cause of the problem. The file services people who manage the automation process wanted more detailed logging, to include recording the command line parameters being used for each different run of the processing application.
One of those command line parameters is used to turn on and off message/error logging. The message sent to the log file for the logging switch said,
"Command Line Parameter to log errors"
WHOOPS! 
Yes, I added that code.
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Whatever is the root cause of this it sounds like it will be fascinating.
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The gravity pull is stronger on the 2nd floor. The bits are slowing down through the ethernet.
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-05-02/[^]
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Maybe it's a very tall building, and he's experiencing gravitational time dilation. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly"- SoMad
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Epic.
We should be building great things that don't exist-Lary Page
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Bad cabling most certainly. Any switches plugged into themselves?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Bad cabling most certainly
Nope. They need amplifier on terrace...
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly"- SoMad
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