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Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

22-Jul-14 15:13

Matthew Dennis was kind enough to point out to me that the Search Box at the start of the Comments section of a CP article actually does search the comments. A feature I have been approximating through painful yogic search contortions as described in excruciating detail in my recent post "Suggestion to improve" here.

However, the title of that Search Box is "Search this Forum;" which led me to believe that it was simply a duplicate of the standard search box found at the top of the article. How many other poor souls have never tried that search box, never dreamed it would do something quite useful, because they took its title literally ?

Please, re-name that Search Box something like "Search Comments."

Now, excuse me while I go lick the running sores produced by coming down with a major case of chagrin Smile | :)

yours, Bill

“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

Chris Maunder22-Jul-14 15:33

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

22-Jul-14 15:33

It's a semantics issue.

Am I correct in thinking that when you see the word "Forum" you mean "this site"?

"Forum", for us, means specifically a discussion forums. Comments are another thing entirely: they are comments attached to something (eg a comment attached to a question or answer in Quick Answers, but they were also attached to things like Tasks and other objects). So "Search comments" doesn't make sense in terms of a discussion forum because they discussion forum contains discussions, not just comments (An initial post may be commentary, but I wouldn't in general class it as a comment since it could be a news item, question, joke, rant or monologue).

"Search Threads" is possible, but technically a thread is a collection of messages in a single conversation (give or take some bifurcation).

How about: "Search this Discussion Board"?

cheers
Chris Maunder

BillWoodruff22-Jul-14 18:11

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

22-Jul-14 18:11

Hi Chris, yes, I am being semantic Smile | :)

To me, the word "forum" means an entire section of CP. The name of that Search Box, imho, should reflect what it does: it searches the comments on an article. Clearly it's a specialized search function.

You don't need to search the article from that CP search box because, after all, you have your browser's search facility at hand to search the current web page.

To me, "Search Comments," with the implicit meaning "on this article" is crystal clear.

imho the current search box name is confusing, and I bet a lot of other people, like me, do not realize what it does ... which is quite useful.

cheers, Bill

“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

Chris Maunder23-Jul-14 6:14

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

23-Jul-14 6:14

So for articles, "Search Comments" is actually a good prompt (even though, technically, you're searching Messages, not Comments - two completely different objects in our codebase). I'd like to have consistent wording though.

Would "Search within Messages" be OK?

cheers
Chris Maunder

Forogar 23-Jul-14 7:04

Forogar

23-Jul-14 7:04

How about "Search for stuff herein".

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

Richard Deeming23-Jul-14 8:14

Richard Deeming

23-Jul-14 8:14

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment:

The link to the discussion forum in the left-hand bar reads "Comments", and uses the location hash "#_comments";
The heading at the top of the discussion forum reads "Comments and Discussions";
The big red button reads "Add a Comment or Question";

So I don't think "Search Comments" would be particularly inconsistent. Smile | :)

"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

Chris Maunder23-Jul-14 8:24

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

23-Jul-14 8:24

Richard Deeming wrote:
The link to the discussion forum in the left-hand bar reads "Comments",

For articles, yes; and in this case it does fit under the "comments are things attached to an object". So "Search Comments" works well for articles but not discussion forums (and I would prefer consistent terminology in the search box).

This is why programming is so much fun. Especially when you do it in front of other very, very smart programmers. D'Oh! | :doh:

cheers
Chris Maunder

Richard Deeming23-Jul-14 8:31

Richard Deeming

23-Jul-14 8:31

How about just "Search"? The box is close enough to the list of messages for the context to be implied, Shirley?

Chris Maunder wrote:
very, very smart programmers

Where have they been hiding then? Poke tongue | ;-P

"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

BillWoodruff23-Jul-14 13:09

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

23-Jul-14 13:09

Hi Richard,

While I would never claim that my perceptions, and assumptions, are those of any substantial number of other CP Members, I do think that seeing a search facility at the bottom of the article page with the same title as the search facility at the top of the page does lend itself to an inference that the bottom search facility has the same behavior as the top facility, and that it is placed there to save the user navigating up to the top of the article web-page to use said search facility.

cheers, Bill

“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

BillWoodruff23-Jul-14 13:33

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

23-Jul-14 13:33

Hi Chris,

"Search within Messages" would be an improvement, for me, but I think it's still not really on-target.

imho, one can consider all CP Articles, and their Comments, in theory, as being "threads" in an "implicit meta-forum" that just happens not to have an explicit name, like other Forums. In practice ? ... well my opinion is that CP Members are socialized to perceive Articles as a horse-of-a-unique-breed, and socialized to perceive non-author additions to said Articles as "Comments."

When one posts an Article, one does not see the use of "Post a Message."

When one wants to add their two-cents/pence worth of blatherskite, or quizzalus/querulous, to an Article, what you see is "Add a Comment or Question;" you don't see "Add a Message."

So, I respectfully submit to you, esteemed Mentor, that "Search Comments" makes sense in terms of both CP history, CP Members' acculturation, and context (the specific spatial location of said bottom-most search facility in context, and its special purpose).

cheers, Bill

“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

Chris Maunder23-Jul-14 15:10

Re: yes, I am blind, and Matthew Dennis is very smart, but please re-name that Search Box above the comments section appropriately !

23-Jul-14 15:10

You've raised a good point: I'm being inconsistent.

I have "New Discussion" in Discussion Forums and "Add a comment or Question" for articles, so why not two sets of wording for articles and Discussion boards?

So how about "Search Comments" in articles and "Search Discussions" in non-articles?

cheers
Chris Maunder

BillWoodruff23-Jul-14 21:29

QA - Active pane displays old posts

23-Jul-14 21:29

Chris Maunder wrote:
So how about "Search Comments" in articles and "Search Discussions" in non-articles?

Works for me !

thanks, Bill

“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

Maciej Los22-Jul-14 5:55

Maciej Los

22-Jul-14 5:55

Quick Answers - Active pane displays old posts. What's going on?

For example, this tread: Create RDLC report in Visual studio 2010 with group[^] was modyfied by @WesAday few mins ago, but i haven't seen any changes ;(

Richard Deeming22-Jul-14 6:04

Richard Deeming

22-Jul-14 6:04

A spammer was resurrecting old posts with site-driving spam:
http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4866325/Site-driving-spam.aspx[^]

It's showing as updated by Wes because he's cleaning up the spam.

"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer

Maciej Los22-Jul-14 6:06

Maciej Los

22-Jul-14 6:06

Hawk eye

Maciej Los22-Jul-14 6:13

Maciej Los

22-Jul-14 6:13

I'd suggest to do nothing. The CP society will do the job. The spammer will gets what he deserves (down-votes and spamm reports).

SoMad22-Jul-14 11:15

SoMad

22-Jul-14 11:15

That results in the same behavior. The member that adds the 3rd report is shown as having updated the post.

I wish they would change this because it brings the post back up to the top, which is really annoying.

Soren Madsen

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