|
Dalek Dave wrote: One can only hope that such a thing is never going to be necessary ever again.
Well.[^]
Sure, you don't have 30000 casualties in 8 hours, but you'd easily reach that amount if you count all these conflicts together. Who lives in a country which is presently not involved in a war somewhere on the globe ? (Marco, do not answer or you'll ruin my point).
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
|
|
|
|
|
Oh I completely agree and understand.
But there are differences between small scale civil wars or series of skirmishes between neighbouring states and the utter madness of WW1 and WW2.
The one's quoted in your link all have one thing in common though.
Religion, and specifically one religion.
My view, as an ex-soldier, is that war should always be the last resort as it is an awful thing.
However, I dare anyone to say that Britain should NOT have fought in the second world war.
It was an honourable war for us to fight, and one in which we would have held our heads in shame had we not.
And of course we won. Just. Eventually.
---------------------------------
Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
|
|
|
|
|
Perhaps it would have been more honorable to treat Germany with respect after WWI, and then WWII wouldn't have been necessary?
|
|
|
|
|
Don't think soldiers in WWI found the reason for being there[^] (or here) either.
|
|
|
|
|
Most of that was down to The French [Insert Musical Sting : Ddun Dun DUUUUN!]
---------------------------------
Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
|
|
|
|
|
That doesn't eliminate all of Britain's responsibility in the matter: link[^]
|
|
|
|
|
Well, I do 
(Sorry for ruining your point  )
|
|
|
|
|
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
|
|
|
|
|
Well, your original logic applies to the Vatican also, even though they have a Swiss guard (this almost sounds counter productive  )
|
|
|
|
|
Kenneth Haugland wrote: even though they have a Swiss guard (this almost sounds counter productive )
Fun fact: The Vatican's swiss guard is paid by the Swiss Defense Departement, IIRC.
The console is a black place
|
|
|
|
|
There are more than just Switzerland. According to Wikipedia there are 13 neutral countries[^], even though Neutrality doesn't mean the countries aren't involved in conflicts. Switzerland, for example, isn't involved in any war but part of the KFOR[^] and has a 60 years lasting presence at the North-South Korean border[^]. Even though no soldiers have died and these conflicts are not considered "wars" in a traditional meaning I just added up to your point.
The console is a black place
|
|
|
|
|
Norway tried to remain neutral in WW2 but that didn't quite work when Germany invaded. The reason Switzerland can remain neutral is that no one is interested in Switzerland, and there isn't enough resources or people for anybody to actually care
|
|
|
|
|
Kenneth Haugland wrote: Norway tried to remain neutral in WW2 but that didn't quite work when Germany invaded.
Was almost the same for Sweden, except that the Nazis only invaded Kiruna (or was it Narvik?).
The Nazis thought that they can invade Switzerland "on the way back", but that didn't work out since they were too busy fighting the allies. Switzerland was bombed several times during the war, mostly by allied bombers who mistook it for germany 
Kenneth Haugland wrote: no one is interested in Switzerland,
Hey, at least the EU is interested in us
Kenneth Haugland wrote: and there isn't enough resources or people for anybody to actually care
Ooh, try to explain the austrians that you carry all the goods over the Brenner once the Gotthard is closed
The console is a black place
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: at least the EU is interested in us
Hey, Switzerland and Norway is in union together. EFTA[^]
|
|
|
|
|
Wooho, we're already 4 members
The console is a black place
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kenneth Haugland wrote: The reason Switzerland can remain neutral is that no one is interested in Switzerland
Actually the reason is that everyone of importance hides his money there. Why would you want to blow up your own bank? 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
|
|
|
|
|
Well, blowing up your own bank does not matter, stealing money from others, now that's a lucrative business.
|
|
|
|
|
True, but once that becomes a habit, where will you put all your ill-gained spoils? 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
|
|
|
|
|
You'll spend it; historically on women, wine and song (or sex, drugs and rock and roll)
|
|
|
|
|
Dad was at the Retried Orificers' Lunch yesterday in the Aldershot Mess. 90%, like my father, were too young to have served, but there are still a couple who served during WWII. Only one of those left who landed on the 6th June attended and he left early as he had a 'boat to catch'...
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: The young American soldiers who landed on Omaha Beach had the worst of it.
For several reasons:
1. The air attack that was to crater the beach and disrupt the obstacles missed
2. The swimming tanks (Sherman DD's) were launched to far away from the beach and got swamped. Gold and others released them closer to the shore.
3. The Beach head was not vital, I think, I will have to check that it was to prevent an Armoured division that didn't exist getting to the side and rear of other beaches.
To quote "Yay, what has come to pass, may never be forgotten, else it shall happen again!"
Glenn
|
|
|
|
|
glennPattonWork wrote: Yay, what has come to pass, may never be forgotten, else it shall happen again!
That should be "Yea", surely?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
|
|
|
|
|
Yup, but haven't much sleep, tpying hard....
|
|
|
|
|
glennPattonWork wrote: tpying hard....
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
