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The 870 isn't what it used to be. After the company was sold some years back the action was cheapened and isn't as good. If you buy one, get an older used one. On the other hand, Mossberg quality ain't that bad.
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Nah. Mossberg's a fine weapon. I was just swinging at the low hanging fruit for fun.
I wish I were more surprised than I am. Still though, I like the flexibility of the 870 over the 500.
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Mossbergs are adequate guns. My wife bought herself a 20-gauge, and when you're at the business end of the muzzle, I'm positive you will not be smirking or exclaiming, "What!? A Mossberg?!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Well, if I'm gonna go out by getting peppered, I like to hope I'll have a snarky comment on my lips.
But yes. Nothing at all wrong with a Mossberg. I prefer the 870. But it's a fine piece of kit.
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Now, now... I've got a Mossberg 500 I bought about five years ago, but never took out of the closet. Recently a lady friend bought herself a shiny, new Remington 870 and wanted to take it out for a shoot, so I grabbed up my cheap Mossberg and we went to the range. Guess who's gun was much more accurate than hers? 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Are you sure that it was the "gun" that was more accurate? After all, you've more practice shooting tubular devices...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Are we really supposed to believe this was anything other than an excuse to get paid to go to the shooting range while supposedly working? 
Wish I'd thought of it first. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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If Mythbusters can do it, why can't the rest of us?
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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I knew a guy paid to fish. Fish were then examined for radiation as the lake pond was for reactor cooling.
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The Zombie Survival guide teaches us that a better standoff survival weapon during the apocalypse is a cross bow. The reason for this is zombies are attracted to loud noises. Way before you get your 200th firing of bird shot off your intestines will be in the process of being consumed by your estranged infected 3rd wife.
Please redo the experiment with a crossbow and publish your results, a detailed procedure is required.
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That little animated gif at the bottom is adorable!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hi Guys thought i should start an interesting debate topic
My recent research into robotics has made me contemplate Azimov's laws and the possible loopholes in the laws
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law
Well lets say we can put the exact comprehension of such law's in the required 1's and 0's
and also forgetting the massive loophole exposed in i-robot where we basically get owned by the first law.
How else could a robot willingly harm a human while obeying the laws.
Well how about creating its own robot army and then willingly walking away before the dangerous robot army becomes alive (well the inaction phrase basically covers this)
How about the ability for a robot to change its own base code , that will erase these directives. (would that be a violation of any of these rules)
Edit -
Now I know the guy wrote these years ago and he could not have possibly have contemplated robotics in its current state and sophistication.
This is merely a debate topic for (find the loophole or try to perfect it) its not like I am going to send his relatives a bill for a robot rampage, it goes without saying but apparently I have to say it
Chona1171
Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
modified 2-May-14 8:45am.
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Azimuth's rules may be going off on a tangent. (You did mean Asimov's [^] laws?)
modified 6-May-14 12:46pm.
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Chona1171 wrote: 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law
I can't do that Dave.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I think you need to get out more.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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The very first problem with Azimuth Asimov's laws that it takes for sure a mechanical brain that can be think with the complexity of human brain. In Asimov's time it was far even more than today, so you can't expect him to create a perfect rule-set... I'm sure that if it will come to reality to build such robots we will have to create some new laws...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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You missed the zeroth law:
0. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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No, he just never read the books : )
BTW, it took me forever to find forward the foundation, the greatest Sci-Fi tie in ever because it was out of print, then Amazon comes along : (
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My favorite stories. Just bought a new hardback edition of the trilogy. 
The greatest sci-fi author, bar none.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Yeah, I like him too. And thought the same, until I realized he was essentially a communist.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: I realized he was essentially a communist
Just because he was of Russian descent? 
Software Zen: delete this;
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No, because if you read the novels closely you will see that. And also his political philosophy was at least socialistic.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Chris Quinn wrote: A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
What if the robots decide that humans are the greatest threat to humanity and eliminate us?
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If you read your Azimov, you'll see that he had the "brain" as hardwiring rather than as a form of byte code, and that the complexity of the positronic brain would prevent rewiring. This was cleverly documented in the first encounter with R Daneel Olivaw.
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