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what rubbish, the French had 1 first rate of 120 guns (actually had 138 at the time) 1 3rd rate of 80 and 3 x 3rd rates of 74 and as of the French practice all these shipped more guns that the rating, the British had 1 3rd of 80 5 3rd of 74 and an old 64 all carrying the rated guns.
so the actual difference wasn't that great one report has it as Brits 514 and France 480
the French certainly had the bigger ship in the first rate.
the French set to sea with the order to attack British shipping in (not travel a to b)
the French ships were fresh from port whilst the Brits had been at sea for months (in 2 cases over a year)
no French ship was lost prior to that start of the engagement all the grounding were due to them trying to avoid the British
and the loss of 1500+ French men for the loss to the British of < 300 I would say was a convincing loss as to the loss of 5 of the few remaining ship of the line was hardly chick feed.
major naval engagements prior to Nelson rarely resulted in such one sided results
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: the French certainly had the bigger ship in the first rate.
The French article states that they had bad wheather and had severe damages on the ship 14 days before the battle actually took place.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: the French set to sea with the order to attack British shipping in (not travel a to b)
The French article states that they had to go from A to B.
Quote: the French ships were fresh from port whilst the Brits had been at sea for months (in 2 cases over a year)
See above.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: no French ship was lost prior to that start of the engagement all the grounding were due to them trying to avoid the British
The French article states that the 14 days were merely sufficient to repair the biggest damages to the ships, so they had to go on in a really bad ship already.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: and the loss of 1500+ French men for the loss to the British of < 300 I would say was a convincing loss
Never said anything else, I only said that under said circumstances, this was plain normal.
But again, I know how picky and proud you brits are about all this, so : Yes, we have lost, yes, that was veeeeery convincing, and I should be very ashamed to see a light bit of bias in the English article. 
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Rage wrote:
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: the French certainly had
the bigger ship in the first rate.
The French article states
that they had bad wheather and had severe damages on the ship 14 days before the
battle actually took place.
rubbish, they did suffer damage in late December but they were pretty well repaired by the battle (true they had to cut short the caulking which would have meant they would have been wet ships in a storm) but hull masts were all 100%
Rage wrote:
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: the French set to sea
with the order to attack British shipping in (not travel a to
b)
The French article states that they had to go from A to B.
Emperor Napoleon ordered two squadrons to put to sea with orders to raid the British trade routes that crossed the Atlantic. These forces were to inflict as much economic damage to Britain as possible
hardly just sailing from a to b
Rage wrote:
Rage wrote:
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: no French ship was lost
prior to that start of the engagement all the grounding were due to them trying
to avoid the British
The French article states that the 14 days
were merely sufficient to repair the biggest damages to the ships, so they had
to go on in a really bad ship already.
Quote: the French ships were fresh from port whilst the
Brits had been at sea for months (in 2 cases over a year)
rubbish again, the French set sail from Breast in December and were in port by mid Jan about a month at sea, Duckworth sales from Cadiz about 5 days after the French left , however Duckworth was on blockage duty at Cadiz and had been at sea for many months (HMS Spencer had not been in port for over two years )
the Bottom line was that the French ships had all their guns and all their masts, while perhaps not suitable for a long trip across the Atlantic they were certainly fully capable of combat, and were probable in not much worse state than the British
Rage wrote:
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: and the loss of 1500+
French men for the loss to the British of < 300 I would say was a convincing
loss
Never said anything else, I only said that under said
circumstances, this was plain normal.
But again, I know how picky
and proud you brits are about all this, so : Yes, we have lost, yes, that was
veeeeery convincing, and I should be very ashamed to see a light bit of bias in
the English article.
what was unusual was that it was one of the few times the British outnumbered the French
actually the Battle is pretty much unknown to none historians, and if anything It would seem that it is made light of in the French version (oh surprise), and Duckworth received no awards for it (other than prize money) as even his bosses didn't think much of it
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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It's been written that the Saniflo toilet system was invented by the French so they could repay the English for the battles of Trafalgar, Waterloo, The Nile.
I would postulate that the French invented the toilet seat. One hundred years later, the English realised it works better with a hole in it.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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I am not sure wiki France has actually got a defeat on it
(the destruction of 2 ships of the line without loss is nothing according to Rage, hell we shot an admiral for a lot less)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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French ? Of The Day ? M???
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I'd have gone for "For More Drivel Of The Day" 
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French (OR Frog) Maritime Defeat Of The Day
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“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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That's what I though! wasn't gutsy enough to say/type it!
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That the Ubuntu symbol is almost identical to the GCHQ building plan?
Is somebody having a laugh?
The UK Security Service recently claimed that the most secure OS was Ubuntu, and that Android on Samsung was the most secure phone.
Does anybody agree? I have my own views. 
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pics ?
what's GCHQ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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Shh...it is Top Secret.
Nobody is supposed to know about it!
See Here[^]
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Not good at citing references, eh?
modified 6-Feb-14 10:02am.
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Just not your monkey mate.
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I'm the father of the boy
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Not good at spelling 'citing' eh?
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Spell checker is not that smart
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