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Hard to see how even Microsoft could actually make it worse...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Don't be naive - it a company with true abilities! Remember 1.0, Me, Vista?
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Vista was pretty bad...but...it was too security focus, too slow, and far, far too expensive. Win 8 was a back step stepwise away from actual usability which is a much worse crime.
ME was an April Fools joke that got out to the public, and Win 1.0 was just cr@p. Mind you, compared with DOS it...was still cr@p, yes. But better than Win 8! 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I still don't get all the hate - all you need do is install a start menu replacement and it all works as expected (better than Win7).
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Where it is better then 7?
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Off the top of my head.
1. Startup time - drastically improved.
2. Memory requirements - improved.
3. File System performance - improved.
You know, the core functions of an O/S. Apart from that, follow the herd and ignore it.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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1. I can't remember when my OS was down last time...
2. For sure - no parallel applications so no memory needs...
3. You may got a new SSD with it 
It has a too hard Microsoft way or no-way build into it. OS is not only performance but usability and user-friendly. You just got an enlarged phone...
But it's OK with me - I'm on Fedora 5 years already and all my Windows machines are virtual...(including one 8.1)
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Have you actually used Windows 8.1 though? From your response it doesn't sound like it!
"No parallel applications" - absolute nonsense. It still runs Win32/64 software exactly as before.
The disk performance is greatly improved - its not an SSD thing. Measured by Cakewalk (who create Audio software - where disk IO is very important).
I turn off my PC between use to conserve power. For a server I'd either run Linux or Windows Server depending on the environment and app requirements.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Yes I'm testing legacy applications on Windows 8.1.
Metro part of Windows 8 are not running in multitasking but using the same model Windows Phone uses...
By the way. It's not only me (and some CP guys) who tells that Windows 8 is no good - see sells...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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"Metro part of Windows 8 are not running in multitasking but using the same model Windows Phone uses..."
Again untrue - you can run multiple app's, even side-by-side.
If you don't choose to run Windows 8, that's fine, but its amazing how much FUD there is about it. I mainly just use it as a better Windows 7.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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In the NewUI, app's can run side-by-side on the screen - as such that is multitasking, in the full sense of the term. Windows 8.1 improves support for this, allowing more side-by-side app's.
For an optimised experience on tablets, when an app is not on the screen, it switches to suspend state to avoid using resources. This makes sense for app's that follow that model. A bit like most browsers suspend processing on background tabs for exactly the same reason. This is improved system management of multitasking, not "not multitasking".
For desktop app's the model remains mostly the same.
"see sells..."
Is that Chris Sells, who's busy writing a book on building Win8 app's with JavaScript (http://www.sellsbrothers.com/Posts/Details/12718[^]). I can't find any material from him about Win 8 in a negative light.
I get that a lot of people (myself included) are not fans of the Windows 8 NewUI, but arguing based on FUD is no way to present a coherent case.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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+5
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just did a config of a new laptop with Win 8.1 for my father in law.
I stick with my original comment. Win 8 is not suited for laptop or desktop machine. It's more for touch screen devices.
Try explaining Win 8 to an elderly user just coming from Win Xp and is not interested in PC's at all. 
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See my comment below.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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I know the desktop button is back, but can you configure the PC to launch the desktop by default? Perhaps I missed that, because by default it's all tiles...
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There must be a setting because my machine (Dell) launches to the desktop, but I didn't do anything to get it to do that.
I just purchased the machine and had Win 8.1 installed by a tech in the IT mall that was working in collaboration with the shop where I purchased the machine.
It launched to the desktop and I was happy about that. 
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Ok, I'll check it out, thanks 
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Yes. Right-click the task bar, select Properties -> Navigation and there are a couple of check boxes to set your choices.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Quote: Win 8 is not suited for laptop or desktop machine. It's more for touch screen devices.
I certainly do agree. Yeah, you can get by using it on a laptop, but it does make sense for it to be on exclusively on touch devices.
The one thing (maybe more) that throws me off is why allow the "desktop mode" enabled on touch devices. Not sure where MS was going with that. Maybe they didn't know either.
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I just got a new Windows 8 PC for SWMBO, and upgraded it to 8.1, so herself can have her old style "look and feel". Pretty painless and it's now set up with a nice Weven-looking desktop.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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I would say it's like a service pack. It's not bad of an update. I have only noticed a few changes that I don't mind.
Personally, I don't mind Win 8. Not calling it the greatest OS, but it is certainly not the worst.
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Clark Kent123 wrote: Personally, I don't mind Win 8. Not calling it the greatest OS, but it is certainly not the worst.
That was my impression also. Because I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts I was able to navigate easily regardless of where Windows launched.
Windows 8.1 just makes it a little easier because my machine launches to the desktop instead of Start.
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I've not only gotten used to it, I kind of prefer it now over Windows 7. If I could get an inexpensive copy, I'd use it as an excuse to buy an SSD for my home system and use it instead of Win 7. For $99, it isn't worth the hassle.
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Service pack. The only gotcha during setup is that if you declined to create an MS account for your logon with 8.0, the option to keep using your local logon instead of creating an MS account in the setup wizard is hidden somewhere you're unlikely to find unless you've got a second computer/tablet/etc available to BingGoogle it.
Once installed you'll probably want to change the default start screen search behavior. After going too far one direction by separating app/doc/setting results to separate screens in 8.1 MS overshot the other direction and in addition to combining all three of those will also send your search string to Bing and add results from there in unless you check the don't do that checkbox.
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