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Not only did the Windows team screw up windows, but Visual Studio took a hit with the effective elimination of Silverlight, which will hurt windows in the long run. Silverlight, which should have a desktop version to replace WPF was a great idea, and the windows team seemed to have managed to torpedo the reason to buy windows by corporations. If, as was the idea when Microsoft dropped Silverlight for HTML 5, was a stupid strategy for Microsoft Windows. Why should a pay for Windows if I am just running HTML5 apps. Visual Studio is the big reason that Windows has been successful in the corporate market. That also meant that Office was the default for the corporate world.
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Are you implying that Office is popular because of Visual Studio? I think that might be the other way around.
Other than that, I completely agree with you: Silverlight was really starting to show promise. Unfortunately for them, the Windows team hates anything that doesn't come out of the Windows org (they were also anti-.NET until the version 3.0 debacle), so they had to push their own solution.
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No, I did not. Should have said: Visual Studio is the big reason that Windows has been successful in the corporate market. The success of Windows meant that Office was the default for the corporate world.
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I would really like the Metro infrastructure to be supported for desktop app's. Its all good, but I don't like the restriction of having to sell app's through the Windows Store. Apart from that, using XAML in C++ would be really nice and to my mind provides a better foundation (whether for C++ or .NET) than Silverlight.
I disagree that Visual Studio has been adopted because of Office, quite the other way around. Exchange and Outlook are even more key than the other Office applications to my mind. I never knew a business adopt VS before Office back in the day - even now many use Office without VS.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Visual Studio and Microsoft office are independent. What I wanted to imply is that corporations have gone with windows because Visual Studio, and once Windows was in the corporations, that sort of gave Office an edge. If Windows did not have such a domininant position in the corporations, Office would have had to be implemented on multiple platforms to become the standard it is. However, I would totally not support the idea that Visual Studio was adopted because of office. More the other way around.
If you notice I stated: Visual Studio is the big reason that Windows has been successful in the corporate market. That also meant that Office was the default for the corporate world.
I could have better written: Visual Studio is the big reason that Windows has been successful in the corporate market. The success of Windows meant that Office was the default for the corporate world.
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"Finally, what about the calls for Microsoft to follow in Apple's footsteps and give Windows away for free? This "free Windows" could take on two forms. The first would be free upgrades for all Windows users, along the lines of what Apple offers. This would not only help encourage more users onto the new platform, but it would also help OEMs sell new PCs to those who can't upgrade.
The second form of free would be for Microsoft to make Windows free to OEMs, eliminating license fees and following a path laid down by Android and ChromeOS. This would force Microsoft to abandon the upfront revenue it receives from sales of Windows licenses and instead make its money back from service such as Bing, Skype, and Office 365, while giving OEMs a little more wriggle room on pricing."
Foregoing 1/3 of its revenue and about half of its profits would be a big gamble. But also, would regulators allow them to do this?
Kevin
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Bing is one of the few "free" things they still have.
Microsoft would get out of the OS buisness before they gave it away for free.
They have moved to a "Make Money or Get rid of it" way.
I deleted all of the information from my Skpye account and uninstalled it when microsoft took over.
(Skype accounts never die, you can only remove information)
I don't like office 365 service.(it Serves no Purpose for me )
I never knew Apple gave away it's OS. Last I checked also it cost you to get into developing software for their platform. I couldn't even find a way to look at their API.
I don't even know anyone that uses apple besides a Iphone.
I can't stand Windows 8 or 8.1 . Ive already had two systems where I had to go in and kill those "Suspended Apps" in order for the system to start working again without rebooting.
not to mention you end up with allot of them suppended after just trying them out.
Thats a Stupid way to get apps to launch faster.
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ledtech3 wrote: Microsoft would get out of the OS business before they gave it away for free.
It would depend on the circumstances I think. But while they continue to make huge profits from Windows there is no incentive for them to do this - even if they were allowed to.
ledtech3 wrote: I deleted all of the information from my Skpye account and uninstalled it when microsoft took over.
Why?
ledtech3 wrote: I never knew Apple gave away it's OS.
It was a recent change - announced with their last OS upgrade I think.
ledtech3 wrote: I don't even know anyone that uses apple besides a Iphone.
And presumably iPad?
But iPhones and iPads would appear to be good enough. Apple is the most profitable IT company in the world right now and sitting on a cash stockpile of about $150 billion. So, from their perspective, they're doing something right! Doesn't matter whether anyone personally thinks they're overpriced. The market says otherwise.
Kevin
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I never liked skype to start with. I only had it for online game play. I don't do that anymore.
As far as deleting the information, You can not cancel thus destroy the account.
The best you can do is remove any personal information and let it sit.
Unless there was a recent change.
I do know 1 person that has an Ipad now that you mention it.
I would like to get my hands on an apple laptop or desktop to dig in and see how the OS works compaired to windows.
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ledtech3 wrote: I would like to get my hands on an apple laptop or desktop to dig in and see how the OS works compaired to windows.
I do have a refurbished, slightly crippled Mac Mini but I don't use it very much. I've used Macs before but I've yet to experience the "wow" factor that the fan boys claim.
Kevin
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I would most likely only use it for experiments only.
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Just a small fraction of consumer mobile apps will bring financial success to their developers by 2018. Does this mean you're after me lucky charms?
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The Java founder assesses how well Oracle has managed the technologies it acquired in the four years since it bought Sun. I guess he's marking on a curve?
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As HTML5 becomes more popular, the misinformation surrounding this new standard grows. It has become a catchall phrase for the mobile Web, and its features and capabilities are widely misunderstood. Is HTML5 really rising in popularity?
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Even microsoft corporate was fooled by the promise of HTML5
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DuckDuckGo is sometimes portrayed as the “anti-Google”, but that’s not quite right. It’s more like bizarro-world Google. It looks similar, it acts similar — but in the end, it has totally different motives. DuckDuckGo aims to offer up the simplicity and functionality of the big search engines, minus all the creepy tracking stuff. The company outlines everything they do/don’t store right here, but most importantly: it doesn’t use tracking cookies, and it doesn’t save a record of your IP. Search, without being searched
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Scientists set up equipment in Hawaii to discern the true hue of the dark side. They say that blue light reflected from Earth turns turquoise when it bounces off the moon. "There is no dark side in the moon, really. As a matter of fact it's all dark."
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"New reports have determined that the scientists were, in fact, under the influence of highly potent LSD while postulating the turquoise color of the moon's dark side. The claims were investigated after one line in the footnotes cited a "shimmering, majestic space flounder wearing a rainbow top hat" swimming in the turquoise moonlight."
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Android is really beginning to challenge Windows on the desktop - but this war will be long and drawn out and the conclusion far from certain. Assuming they can fight over the pile of corpses of OSes that have battled Windows in the past
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Article says: Android is really beginning to challenge Windows on the desktop
Really?! Shouldn't Android have even 1% market share on the desktop before some idiot makes that claim?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Can Android run Windows in a VM? 
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Rabbit holes inside rabbit holes! That way leads to madness.
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2014 looks to be even bigger than 2013 for Microsoft, with the company expected to ship a number of major updates to existing products as well as expanding into new product lines thanks to the Nokia acquisition. Loads of stuff: some good, some less good
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There are some interesting things to come, but as far as I am concerned, the continued search (or lack of decision) for a new MS CEO stopped being interesting a while ago.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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