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The 4th Amendment is the 4th Amendment... it doesn't say "except for electronic communications". I agree they should need a warrant. But then again, this administration doesn't follow any rules of any other amendment so why would they start now LOL.
Randy
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rriegel wrote: it doesn't say "except for electronic communications". I agree they should need a warrant
It does however make it rather clear that that possession is part of it. That is why the government has the right to search your trash. And you don't have possession of your email when it is moving between one part of the world and another.
And many forms of electronic communication are not in fact owned by the individual but are instead owned by a corporation. And of course the corporations are rather adamant about protecting their right to look at your electronic communication for absolutely any reason they want to.
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The analogy between trash and electronic communication is invalid. The consideration is more so ownership than possession. When you throw something in the trash you are giving up ownership. When you send something electronically you aren't. Otherwise, your argument could go against copyright. No, there's still ownership whether that ownership is transferred or shared by the recipient is another thing.
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Ownership and possession are not the same thing at all. When you create an e-mail, you initially both own and possess it. To my mind, once you've sent it you still 'own' it even though possession has been transferred to your ISP, intermediaries, and then the intended receiver of the message.
Software Zen: delete this;
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tgrt wrote: When you throw something in the trash you are giving up ownership
Wrong. That is not what the Supreme Court made the decision on. It was based on giving up a reasonable expectation of privacy.
tgrt wrote: Otherwise, your argument could go against copyright.
Nonsensical argument. Copyright doesn't protect the content from access, it only protects it from commercial use.
tgrt wrote: No, there's still ownership whether that ownership is transferred or shared by the recipient is another thing.
And as I already said, the companies are quite adamant that they own it.
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That may be true for you, but doesn't apply to the rest of us -- our e-mails aren't trash.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: our e-mails aren't trash.
The Supreme Court case the one which allowed searching trash was based on the notion that the person had given up a reasonable right of privacy.
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From what I know all this has been going on rather longer than "this administration" has been holding the steering wheel....
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Brisingr Aerowing wrote: (USA Citizens Only)
... which is not me.
Perhaps you meant USA taxpayers only?
... which is me.
Windows 8 is the resurrected version of Microsoft Bob. The only thing missing is the Fisher-Price logo.
- Harvey
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I'm not a USian but you'd really need to get rid of homeland security and the Patriot Act (or whatever it is called) as well. They don't need to monitor your electronic communications when they can arrest and detain you for looking sideways at someone at the airport or wherever and then water-board you into confessing to whatever they like....
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Getting information off the Internet is like taking a drink from a fire hydrant.
- Mitchell Kapor
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I smell an enraged nerd, after someone took his lunch money 
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Thanks for reminding me of that site - I hadn't visited for months!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
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(That's an 'M')
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I fully understand that this will be quite different between different countries, but that's also why a reason why I'm curious.
Mine is "O Helga Natt[^]" (Oh Holy Night). Especially when sung by Jussi Björling. (Pavarotti can take a hike).
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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Weird Al Yankovic - The Night Santa Went Crazy
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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What do you mean with EVEN Slade.
I'm seriously a fan of them and feel ashamed that I've forgotten about that song.
Have a five for refreshing my pickled brain.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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I used to live around the corner from Noddy Holder - still have a soft spot for them!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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Dammit!
The pickup is broken. Can't use my record player. Aaargh.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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Blocked in my country because of copyright issues.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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