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Vivi Chellappa6-Dec-13 15:01

6-Dec-13 15:01

And Calcutta renamed Park Street on which the US Consulate stood to Ho Chi Minh Street.

Gregory Gadow6-Dec-13 3:25

Gregory Gadow

6-Dec-13 3:25

When the ANC was formed, it was ILLEGAL in South Africa for people with dark skin to organize, much less to fight for their basic human rights. They were engaged in a war, and wars are never clean. That the apartheid government called them terrorists is little different than the British government of the late 1700s calling US revolutionaries terrorists.

Erudite_Eric6-Dec-13 3:37

6-Dec-13 3:37

Oh no, not another one who doesnt know the difference between military and civilan targets.

Gregory Gadow6-Dec-13 3:50

Gregory Gadow

6-Dec-13 3:50

Erudite_Eric wrote:

Oh no, not another one who doesnt know the
difference between military and civilan targets.

The American Revolution was no different: civilians perceived as supporting the British were frequently targeted, their homes ransacked by mobs and their businesses burned to the ground. Politically motivated murders were not uncommon: I will look for references, but I know at least one Massachusetts Assemblyman was found hanged the day after voting against the colony's support of the American revolution.

As I said, it was war. In war, no one has clean hands. What matters is what one does after winning , and Nelson Mandela has worked very, very hard to clean up the aftermath of that war.

Erudite_Eric6-Dec-13 4:39

6-Dec-13 4:39

So they were terrorists too. Doesnt make them right. Doesnt make Mandella right.

dan!sh 6-Dec-13 4:15

dan!sh

6-Dec-13 4:15

Really! The government who decorated Mandela with such title was the one who created apartheid system in the country. You do know about unnecessary police raids in black communities, which BTW were at sub-human living standards, that were carried out during this reign.

They were the one who did Sharpeville massacre[^] which preceded the formation of military wings in ANC.

So, you are saying he is terrorist because he fought against racist, discriminatory and brutal regime. Great.

Here[^] is something you may want to know.

"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

Erudite_Eric6-Dec-13 4:38

6-Dec-13 4:38

d@nish wrote:
So, you are saying he is terrorist because he fought against racist,
discriminatory and brutal regime

Where did I say that? Oh yes, thats right, I didnt did I, You just imagined I did because you have a simplstic dualistic thought process that says if SA is bad, Mandella is good.

They are both bad. get it?

dan!sh 6-Dec-13 5:01

dan!sh

6-Dec-13 5:01

Erudite_Eric wrote:
Where did I say that?

That is obvious. Mandela did fight against the racist regime. According to you, he is terrorist. Hence, Mandela is a terrorist because he fought against racist regime.

Erudite_Eric wrote:
They are both bad. get it?

No, that is not correct. Mandela was charged with 193 so called terrorist activity charges. These activities were defined as act of terrorism from the same government which divided the nation. So the charges themselves hold no water.

"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

Erudite_Eric6-Dec-13 7:30

6-Dec-13 7:30

Did you read the link? His organisation killed many people. He was a terrorist.

jschell6-Dec-13 12:49

jschell

6-Dec-13 12:49

d@nish wrote:
That is obvious. Mandela did fight against the racist regime. According to you, he is terrorist. Hence, Mandela is a terrorist because he fought against racist regime.

No sorry. You are mistaken. He didn't say that.

He said he is a terrorist because the group he formed targeted civilian targets.

You might challenge something in that statement, but you can't change the statement to make your point.

Vivi Chellappa6-Dec-13 14:58

6-Dec-13 14:58

You are so right.

Anyone who fought against oppression of the majority by a minority is a terrorist.

Jomo Kenyatta was a terrorist.

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

George Washington was a terrorist.

Erudite_Eric9-Dec-13 9:12

9-Dec-13 9:12

You are forgetting Mandella planted bombs and killed civilians.

Or perhaps you are just being stupid.

Vivi Chellappa9-Dec-13 23:52

9-Dec-13 23:52

Can you tell me the number of people killed by bombs planted not just by Mandela but by all of ANC?

How many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed by bombings by Allied air forces?

How many were killed by lack of medicines, lack of baby formula, etc.?

How many persons killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are "collateral damage", as it is phrased by the US or UK?

Who then are the bigger terrorists?

Who then is being stupid?

Erudite_Eric11-Dec-13 3:47

11-Dec-13 3:47

Google not working for you?

Wiki has a nice page on mandellas terrorist organisation. Go look it up.

Vivic wrote:
Who then is being stupid?

You @#$%^* **(%&. You think I agree with the Iraq war? What a )*(&#$& &&*$ you are. Blair is a war criminal and should be locked up.

So, Blair a murdering twat, Mandella a murdering twat, and you a ^$&% :"*& for using sh*t logic and making yourself look $@%##$.

modified 11-Dec-13 12:33pm.

Vivi Chellappa11-Dec-13 20:13

11-Dec-13 20:13

Your post is so erudite! Laugh | :laugh:

Erudite_Eric11-Dec-13 20:41

Meanwhile over at the Daily Mail...

11-Dec-13 20:41

Nagy Vilmos5-Dec-13 22:53

5-Dec-13 22:53

Err? Are you sure?[^]

[edit]

However The Onion[^] have nailed it.

speramus in juniperus

modified 6-Dec-13 5:00am.

Dalek Dave5-Dec-13 23:08

Dalek Dave

5-Dec-13 23:08

She broke the Soviet Union.

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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

Nagy Vilmos5-Dec-13 23:16

5-Dec-13 23:16

? Don't tell me you read the Mail as well...

speramus in juniperus

OriginalGriff6-Dec-13 0:05

OriginalGriff

6-Dec-13 0:05

Read it? He writes it!

Nagy Vilmos6-Dec-13 0:06

6-Dec-13 0:06

speramus in juniperus

Mark_Wallace6-Dec-13 1:46

Mark_Wallace

6-Dec-13 1:46

If it weren't for the fact that I like cute puppies, I'd wipe my @rse with it.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Richard MacCutchan6-Dec-13 0:15

Richard MacCutchan

6-Dec-13 0:15

Well she did free the miners from the iron grip of Comrade Scargill, and then there was ... er, tumbleweed.

Veni, vidi, abiit domum

Nagy Vilmos6-Dec-13 0:19

6-Dec-13 0:19

I met her once, about five years ago. She was sitting down at a reception and looked like an old granny sans marbles. I am no fan of hers but it was a sorry sight.

speramus in juniperus