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I love your quote from Bjarne, petty much sums up my expertise with my telephone. I want my telephone to send and receive calls. It took me a while to figure out how to send and figuring out how to receive was easy, but still took time to figure out how to touch it the "right" way or put it on speaker or how to send a call. I almost miss calls because I don't touch it right.
The phone messaging tab still tells me I have to set up messaging, while figuring out one arcane symbol leads me straight to it, already set up from my last phone.
I also see you've adopted MS' stand: "It's NOT a bug, it's a FEATURE!". Funny how often, when they go to a new release, the FEATURE is dropped. (Without mentioning they removed it.) You'd think that when they go to a new release they would want to expand and increase the effects of their past FEATUREs.
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KP Lee wrote: I love your quote from Bjarne, petty much sums up my expertise with my telephone.
Yeah, I agree. Haven't really even used half the 'features' of my phone. 
Honestly, I mainly got a fancy phone because, as a Web Developer, it's becoming a necessity to learn how to code for these darn things! I certainly don't need all that functionality. I'm one of those few people who actually use it mainly as a (*gasp*) phone. I know, amazing, isn't it? 
As for the 'my code has no bugs' quote, yeah, well. It kind of ties into the one before it about not taking yourself too seriously. Which I thoroughly believe. As a programmer, you pretty much need a good sense of humor to keep your sanity. That, and lots of ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) and ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) !
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone - Bjarne Stroustrup
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke!
My code has no bugs, it runs exactly as it was written.
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MVC ready to do what?
that's like asking someone to be drive Porsche ready.
if you collected a bunch of scrpit kiddies from the street it may take years to crack the basics. For a good programmer it takes days to be good at it.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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It may be doable, given that they have experience on .NET or some technologies close to that, also of course assuming they will be given this 15 days to fully grasp the concept, otherwise, it's a pipe dream from management.
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William Emmanual wrote: I have been asked to upgrade my entire team to "MVC ready" in 15 days!
Do nothing, but tell your manager you've succeeded.
If he/she is like most Management by Magazine Articletm types I had to deal with, and this sounds like one from that tribe, they won't be able to tell whether you have or not.
Just make sure your team drops MVC terms randomly into their conversations.
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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It depends where you're starting from on the learning curve. If you're just adding ASP.NET to an already impressive CV of talent, the answer is probably yes. If coming from a graduate Com.Sci. level, forget it and hire a new team with the required talent!
Being taught ASP.NET MVC in 15 days is not the problem. Being able to apply the new talent in a productive manner is a problem. I would suggest 6-12 months to be totally up to speed...
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Have you looked at http://www.asp.net/mvc[^]?
It has tutorials on MVC (A programming pattern I hadn't heard or listened to if mentioned before.) and the differences between that and regular ASP.NET programming.
With a solid web design background behind me, I had no problem picking up ASP.NET, while most students were thrashing around, trying to figure out what the HTTP protocol was doing.
I've never touched MVC, but it is a pattern for C's sake.
I haven't reviewed the entire thread, so if I'm repeating what's been said, sorry. I did have a laugh on the Agile thread. (I think that was a dig at management that jumps on the newest bandwagon trend with no idea where it is heading or what it does. It's just the best thing to do, so learn it.)
On the flip side, management probably has no idea what MVC or ASP.NET are, so in 15 days you may be able to claim mastery and continue to figure out what MVC is, so when they get a clue, you may actually have mastered it.
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Not sure if you are still reading the answers...
1) Assign 1 or 2 top dogs to drill in and learn MVC, your strongest bench players willing to master it
2) Become familiar with the core concepts yourself
3) Start the project in the most UNUSUAL way. By doing a lot more analysis of the customers needs.
Whatever process you are going to follow, start it, and start putting together what it is that you need to build.
4) Identify the proper metaphor for the software your are going to build, that will help frame it for everyone on the team.
Now, with a decent understanding of what your are going to build. The fact that you need a Model, a View and a Controller. Assign your team to write a DISPOSABLE version of the prototype. Group people into the teams, and the top 2 people from the beginning will work across the entire design.
Write it, make it work. Code Reviews. and a Solid Postmortem to review everything they have learned.
Now, do it again, from scratch. Throw it away.
Now, do it for the last time, and add everything in via iterations or whatever process you follow. I find that the cohesion derived from having a team work together, make something work, and then throwing it away and doing it a second and third time tends to produce BOTH a great product and a GREAT team.
Finally, DO NOT share these steps with management... They will NEVER UNDERSTAND!
Besides the goal is not to learn ASP.NET MVC in 15 days. The goal is to be able to start producing MVC using ASP.NET in 15 days, and even more importantly, to become very good at it in the long run. I think this should accomplish that.
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...still reading and still learning. Thanks mate.
Kind Regards,
- Will
william@enziq.com
www.enziq.com
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Legitimate company with a .US TLD?
These days every single email I receive with a .us top level domain is spam or a virus. I'm considering creating a filter to automatically delete anything from a .us address, but I don't want to inadvertently block anything I might actually want to receive.
Any ideas?
Will Rogers never met me.
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They are just warning you by using an acronym for Unimportant Spam.
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bootleggers.us seems to be a legitimate game, oddly mostly played by Dutch people.
I used to play it back in high school, and surprisingly it still exists. From what I remember, it wasn't especially great. Just an other text-based online multiplayer RPG.
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Ahem! That's Toys 'R' Us. 
But 5 for effort!
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Corrected - thanks! 
/ravi
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I'm just toying with you.
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Quit playing around.
/ravi
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Like Shakespeare said, the whole world's my playground.
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You staged that well.
/ravi
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Blimey. That is all I can say without spoiling it for others. Just wow. The story changed today.
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Everything changed!
And the end was magnificent!
WOW!
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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There were so many great bits. The curator was a real highlight for me. And the promise of the Christmas Special is something to look forward to.
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I ♥ ♥ Doctor Who
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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I think we guessed that... 
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I love Dr. Who as well (from Episode 1 until now) but this episode was still poor. It was just a contrived mess. And Tom Baker? WTF? How does that work then???
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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