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Dalek Dave wrote: To not accept evolution as the driving force of nature is to reject all the evidence of one's own eyes.
Now, that was a little to much.
Dalek Dave wrote: And there is currently NO other explanation for speciation.
Keyword being currently.
Science is not static. Tomorow things may change, something new may be discovered. Evolution is a theory, and as all science theories, it may be replaced by a better one someday.
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That is why the word CURRENTLY is in there.
I am doing a degree in evolutionary biology and know whereof I speak.
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Dalek Dave wrote: I am doing a degree in evolutionary biology
Now that explains the evangelism 
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Turns out those scientists types are very, very religious.
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Only the students. By the time they reach professorhood, they've lost all faith.
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Quote: How do you explain the vast multiplicity of life, its relative nearness of one species to another, and the universality of certain biological and biochemical functions even amongst very disparate genera?
If not evolution, then what? Space Pixies and Magic Dust?
It sounds like you are claiming that the fact that there is so much variety and yet so much in common means there can't be a creator? Is that what you are saying? If so, why? If there is a single creator why in the world would there not be similarities? If anything, your argument supports the notion of a creator.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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4. No politics (including enviro-politics[^]), no sex, no religion.
If you want to pursue that line of discussion, it belongs in the Soapbox, or possibly even the back room[^].
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I agree, but I am confused as to why you made the comment to me instead of the OP who brought religion in from the beginning.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: the OP who brought religion in from the beginning
Where? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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Are you being serious or just trying to support Dave because he is "popular"?
Quote: Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that.
Quote: If not evolution, then what? Space Pixies and Magic Dust?
By the way, mentioning a creator is not bringing in religion.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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OK, so if mentioning a creator is not bringing in religion, then how does mentioning sky pixies, space pixies or magic dust count as bringing in religion? Is there a "sky pixie / space pixie / magic dust" religion that I'm not aware of?
And I'm not just supporting Dave because he's popular; with the exception of the Moon landings, I happen to agree with a lot of what he says. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Quote: OK, so if mentioning a creator is not bringing in religion, then how does mentioning sky pixies, space pixies or magic dust count as bringing in religion? I
Sky pixies, space pixes, and magic dust are his way of "trying" to offend religion. A creator is not religion. Religion puts attributes and characteristics to a creator.
Regardless, I don't see why you have no problem with his post, especially since he called people stupid for disagreeing with him, and have a problem with mine. Sure feels like favoritism. Not that I care, just saying.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I don't have a problem with your post as such. I was just pointing out that if you're trying to start a debate on the relative merits of evolution vs religion, it doesn't belong in the Lounge.
But then we seem to have digressed into a debate on whether this was already a religious debate, so I guess that defeated the purpose. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think the point is that many people simply don't give a fart, and don't even give it any thought -- presumably because they're far too busy with important stuff like analysing Coronation Street, their bank balances, or football results/statistics.
Those of us who do give it any thought have obviously got the wrong priorities.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm sure someone questioned this "fact" a while back and the study was flawed, as most people have no idea how evolution works on a basic level and this counted as non-belief. It is surprising how poor the public understanding of evolution is, even among people who have take some interest (e.g people hold we descended from chimpanzees, whereas we descended from a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, albeit a chimp-like ancestor).
I'm curious: do you actually have no interest in evolution or is this a debating position for DD?
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I have no general interest in the subject.
But just bored at work redesigning a database schema to work around some specification changes so just having fun to see IF Dave would directly answer rather than skirt around it.
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I am running tax reports that involve a lot of sitting looking at a screen whilst doing nothing.
It seems we both have time on our hands today!
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Sounds to me like your specification is evolving 
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Dalek Dave wrote: Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really?
No way. They got that mixed up with the US.
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The US is filled with fundamentalist religious types, the UK used not to be.
Unfortunately we have let in so many that are afflicted with that most awful of mental disorders, religion, and let them breed and brainwash their children, that the number of people who have any ability for scientific thought processes or are capable of reason and argument based on evidence and fact are reducing.
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+5
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Dalek Dave wrote: I didn't realise there were so many stupid people. Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that.
I totally agree. Just like the people who don't believe we landed on the Moon.
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You have proof of this amazing claim?
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Yes the Chinese or the Russians don't dispute it.
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