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Because everyone should feel included.
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Joan Murt wrote: Adding the possibility of not targeting any .Net version is strange... isn't it?
Java  C++ etc... are people who still have to graduate to .Net World ....
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixture
cheers,
Alok Gupta
VC Forum Q&A :- I/ IV
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For example, if I am writing something to use at home, I will go for the latest 'production' version, as I will have it installed. However, if I am writing something for work on their machines, I will check to see what the current highest level installed is by the IT police and target that.
So, 4.5.1 for home and 4.0 for work.
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... that is quickly abandoned for the next great idea? Why learn something that will become obsolete before you have really gotten used to it?
I will not waste my time on this again.
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So, what is your decision when for whatever reason you develop for a Windows OS? No decision is also a decision... 
Cheers
Andi
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Windows 1.0 contains everything that you'll ever need!! 
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...and we like to programm all in assembly anyways. Everything else is for wimps.  Why standing on the shoulders of others when you can be at the base of the pyramid? We need heroes!
Or: "an un-aimed arrow never misses" (i.e. always hits "a" target)
Cheers
Andi
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Andreas Gieriet wrote: ...and we like to programm all in assembly anyways. Everything else is for
wimps.
No. Assembly still is too comfortable. Try machine language and hex Keyboards. If you only have Hardware made for, you said it yourself, wimps, then I can send you the schematics to build a suitable Computer.
Andreas Gieriet wrote: Why standing on the shoulders of others when you can be at the base of the pyramid? We need heroes!
I honestly would settle for more People who can stand on their own feet.
If the giant I'm supposedly am standing on turns out to be a company which pulls away the rug under my feetevery time they feel like doing so, then I don't really think that's funny. I scrapped code worth enough to buy a Lamborghini, and please not the plain basic model. I would not yet be finished adapting everything to Windows 8 and everything that came with it and by now I would have to fear an upcoming new change of direction.
No thanks. There are other shoulders to stand on which I hope are not too shaky to carry me a Little longer.
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Yeah, the pace of change is higher and higher - everywhere. But if you (or your customers) decided for a certain track (e.g. .Net), then keep up-to-date to a certain degree is probably the only option.
The same for the various portable devices, the various embedded devices, ... everywhere (unless you live in your own universe and have a ecosystem that is self-sufficient).
Cheers
Andi
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Andreas Gieriet wrote: everywhere (unless you live in your own universe and have a ecosystem that is
self-sufficient).
In a way that's what I always have been doing. In the stone age my ever growing libraries just saved a lot of work, later they insulated me from most changes and gave me control over when and how I deal with changes in the OS.
This was a good way to go over dacade, but has failed with ,Net (or with Mickeysoft). At some Point I was spending too much time adapting to changes and working less and less on the projects. When they killed off some stuff dor W8, I just was not willing to adapt everything again.
I can live with a reasonable amout of change and also try to benefit from new features, but I don't need Mickeysoft to keep me busy without any other reason than their sales.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity: what area of functionality/support do we talk about that breaks your path to Windows 8?
Cheers
Andi
PS: Do you know this proverb: "Attributing others with nicknames tells more about you than about the others..." 
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No. I have found sme surviving videos, so I can show you.
Here you see the 3D engine[^] at work. And here we have a video about the GUI[^].
Both needed XNA, which was silently scrapped. Instead they wanted to haveus write some Win8 (cr)app, made for weak devices that don't support half of what was needed. Much less did I want to wate my time porting code once again.
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So, how is Windows 8.1 treating you?
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Not at all. Win 7 is still good for running old stuff, but I have already thrown out Visual studio and do my programming with C++ again.
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I don't think any version of .NET has become obsolete. It has just got bigger with the newer versions.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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There are obviously still People who use Versions 1.0 or 1.1. They have not seen much new stuff for almost 10 years and the clock is ticking for the support for those Versions to end. Or has it already?
And what about Windows Forms, WPF or Silverlight? One UI has been chasing the next. What great new things can we expect here? Probably just one more member in this Club: Metro, after the Mickeysofties have found the next great Thing.
Sorry, but the .Net Framework has become a museum and None of the exhibits has had the time to mature before it started to collect dust.
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What is *your* product life cycle? How long do you support people who do not migrate to your latest version of the software? I wonder if you can afford to provide bugfixes on *old* versions...
Cheers
Andi
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*My* lifecycle is a little different. I have been building libraries since the stone age. Libraries always insulated me from the OS (or frameworks), saved me a lot of time and with version control can also be easily be adapted to changes without breaking older code.
This worked great for all kinds of operating systems or languages, but not at all for Mickeysoft and .Net. After Vista they became more and more chaotic and kept introducing more and more changes just to sell their next great idea. I was working more and more to keep up with their random changes of direction than I was working on any projects. The end came when they decided to kill some things to 'help' us over to Windows 8. Rewriting major parts was just a Little too much, so I scrapped everything and I will not touch anything from Mickeysoft again until the new Lamborghini they owe me for this stands in front of my door. That probably means never.
So what do I do now? I dug out 10 year old stuff which (oh miracle!) still works as good as it always did and started to look for some good open source libraries. Someone further up called what he was doing instead of .Net 'multi platform C++'. Sounds good and it also feels good to be back in the scary unmanaged world again.
P.S: Any errors in capitalization also are Mickeysoft's fault. The spell checker in the browser refuses to let itself be deactivated, but also does not care that I'm currently not writing in my native language.
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that's like justifying the question from my kids about taking a shower or cleaning their room. it's just going to get dirty again.
you want something inspirational??
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Still, I don't need Mickeysoft to get myself dirty, mess up a room or otherwise make my life more exciting. And I assume you don't often say 'Take it or leave it' to the kids, right?
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