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Super Lloyd wrote: such as LINQ, parallel async library. they do make life easier when you use
them!
Really? How much easier specifically? How much more productive are you using measured metrics (rather than just the whimsical - 'of course I am')?
And presumably you are using them correctly as well. Is everyone else working on your product using them correctly as well? How do you ensure that?
Naturally if someone isn't using them correctly and starts trying to use them for absolutely everything they can or even misunderstanding the basics then one might suppose that at some point it isn't going be easier and in fact is going to be much harder.
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Contrary to Super Loyd, I find the performance of VS2012 to be much worse than VS2008. If you don't need F# or the latest WPF stuff (and, I'm not sure if VS2008 supports the latest .NET framework), stick with 2008. And as others have commented, completely skip 2010 - waste of time.
Marc
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I would not bother upgrading to 2012 if all your current code works you will just be buying into a world of hurt.
I upgraded from 2008 to 2010 a while back and didn't regret it at all - although all I really gained were some improvements in plug-in handling and being able to zoom the editor text size up and down. I didn't notice any significant performance differences within the area I working. I did it mostly for the editor improvements.
The change to 2010 should be painless if you want to bother; the change to 2012 will be painful, guaranteed!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: I would not bother upgrading to 2012 if all your current code works you will just be buying into a world of hurt.
Actually, I converted a large client-server application without problems, but then again, there were very few component dependencies (only DevExpress, which gave me no problems.)
Marc
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I found vs2012 starts as fast vc# 2008 express does or even faster;
i am surprised and sad for you, you have a different experience!
have you installed some plugins? I only have the one you can download with the extension manager, NO resharper for example...
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Super Lloyd wrote: have you installed some plugins?
Nope, no plugins. VS2012 locks up for a minute or two quite often on startup with the message "busy performing a background task". Geez, if it's a background task, why does it affect foreground operations? That's probably one of the more stupid messages I've ever seen. 
Marc
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Yeah I had that sometimes with VS2010!
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Of course, sharepoint development, especially web part deployment, is much easier in VS2010/2012. This is the only reason, i have installed VS2012 
Behzad
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: Of course, sharepoint development, especially web part deployment, is much easier in VS2010/2012.
Hmm, good to know.
Marc
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: Besides, i don't see any real reason to migrate to new .Net 4 or 4.5, simply because i have not used any feature of those packages.
Whehe ..and now you want us to tell you why you should upgrade, convincing you? Have you ever tried to convince someone who asked for a valid reason to upgrade from VB6?
You can still target the 2.0 framework and use the 4.0 runtime for it's benefits. Things like improved garbage-management come to mind. Ooh, gone the days that a .NET app froze without any obvious reason 
..and yes, I'm using the 4.0 framework from both OpenSUSE aswell as Debian (a Raspberri Pi).
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I use VS2010 at home (for WinForms development) and love it. I upgraded from VS2005 and VS2008. At work I use both VS2010 and VS2012.
/ravi
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I use 2012 at work (mostly for SSIS), but 2010 at home where I'm more likely to do WinForms.
But mostly I write console apps and libraries and I don't use VS for that.
Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: the new Help viewer
Yes, the old one was better.
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I was in the dentists asking about prices.
"How much for a tooth extraction?" I asked
"That will be £420" said the receptionist.
"£420! Do you think I am made of money? Why is it so high?"
"Well Sir, for that you get the dentist, the anaesthetist, dental nurse, general anaesthetic and medication"
"Can't you do it cheaper?"
"Well we can do it for £250, but for that there is no General, on local and no recovery"
"Is there a cheaper option?"
"Well we can do a £50 extraction, but there is no painkiller at all, and just a dentist to pull it with a pair of pliers"
"Aye" I said, "That will do, can I book the wife in for tomorrow?"
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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A woman and her husband interrupted their vacation to go to the dentist.
"I want a tooth pulled, and I don't want any pain killers because I'm in a big hurry. No gas or needles or any of that stuff." the woman said. "Just extract the tooth as quickly as possible, and we'll be on our way."
The dentist was quite impressed. "You're certainly a courageous woman," he said. "Which tooth is it?"
The woman turned to her husband and said: "Show him your tooth, dear."
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Now we know why Leslie Nielsen had no teeth.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Now we know why Leslie Nielsen's wife had no teeth.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Leslie Nielsen's wife
Was he married?? Didn't know that..
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Repeatedly...
Monica Boyar (1950–1956)
Alisande Ullman (1958–1973)
Brooks Oliver (1981–1983)
Barbaree Earl (2001–2010)
-- Wiki[^]
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Repeatedly
How incredibly appropriate!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I was just reading an article the other day about how much an anesthesiologist adds to the cost of medical procedures (well, actually it was about a new machine that can do the same job much cheaper). It's kind of sad how true that part of this joke is...
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So we finally decided to bail on the 2012 visual studio cloudification handle git for you thing.
It would have been great had it worked at all. We couldn't even commit changes on our published branch, and then sync. It would get all hosed up and we couldn't even change branches.
I have found a way to use it for the simple things, and git bash for the rest. So we create branches, commit, rebase, etc.. through the terminal, and then use the vs gui to sync.
Now I have to figure out how to create the remotes from the vss address and we'll finally be able to work on the project again.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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... hate the dentists...
He basically called me in for the annual checkup.. Found out two bad teeth which have to be "taken away in a later moment". And I have such a difficulty to open the mouth...
Definition of the "Later moment": full anesthesia in a hospital for a half a day.. Don't think the insurance is taking that over.. Will be a pretty busy "dentist" autumn for me.. And my wallet..
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I oh oooh eel eh-er ow! Uh a oohee ooh eh eh-is.*
*Translation: I hope you feel better now! I hate going to the dentist.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: I hope you feel better now
Year, I feel better already.. Will be much better tonight in the pub so.. One hour still to wait,,
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