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Super Lloyd wrote: Yet anarchy has never happened
I question the truth of that statement.
Super Lloyd wrote: and it has never been validated by past success
I also question that. Certainly without a specific definition of "success".
For example one might hypothesize that say 60,000 years ago that either anarchy existed or it was far closer to that than to any other system. And one might further suggest that since humans are still around that at that time it was a 'success'.
Super Lloyd wrote: this article made everything clear! 
http://progressiveliving.org/economics/capitalism_socialism_communism.htm[^]
Of course some of it is nonsensical such as the following..."Beginning with Reagan, and accelerating under the Bush administrations, the US has been lapsing back into the worst of its excesses."
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Off to The Beer Factory[^] in 15 minutes for a Club Members only Oktoberfest.
Will be back in 5 hours or so and will try to post an update. The Missus is coming along too, so won't be able to get her to help me drive the keyboard later on.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Excellent, I've got plenty time to get the popcorn in.
Enjoy!
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Currently drinking beer number 2.
Great thing is it's here's your glass and there's the 5 beers on tap. Help yourself.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote: here's your glass and there's the 5 beers on tap. Help yourself.
In OZ? 
Do they have bottomless pockets? Or are they underestimating the drinking power of the average Aussie? Because all the ones I've seen go at free beer like sharks in a paddling pool...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
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Either that, or the beer is cheap.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
Abraham Lincoln
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We paid $75.00 a head and it's scheduled for 3 hours.
Food is included and I've had a shitload.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote: will try to post an update. The Missus is coming along too, so won't be able to get her to help me drive the keyboard later on
Keyboards of the future will automatically sense blood-alcohol level, presence of amphetamines, and other psychotropic drugs, etc., and prevent you from sending e-mail ... unless you have a certain minimum score on an on-line sobriety test.
If you have been remanded by court order to a detox program, trying to write an e-mail when you are intoxicated will take you immediately to an on-line meeting of Whatever-Anonymous, while at the same time sending antidotes directly into your bloodstream, or giving you electro-shock, etc.
Ownership of a keyboard without sobriety features will be a criminal offense for which fingers will be surgically removed, the number removed depending on offender status, and number of repeat incidents.
So, enjoy tonight, and post frequently, Michael, for ye shalt not have such freedom hence.
bill
p.s. does October come early in Oz ? Is there more than one Halloween ?
Google CEO, Erich Schmidt: "I keep asking for a product called Serendipity. This product would have access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." 2004, USA Today interview
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Im sure Dalek Dave, Nagy V, MM will all find a way to circumvent such technology - else its going to be very quiet here in the lounge 
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You have been here for eight years - surely you know better than to post spam? 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
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I am caught up in PayPal hell and want to warn others.
Our website has been merrily accepting PayPal payments for about a year - no problem. Recently PayPal sent me an email about PayPal Here and I thought I would take a quick look at it even though it probably did not suit our business.
BIG mistake.
This has triggered an "Information Request" for our business and the last two weeks have been a spiral into hell. What started out as a small request has led to a series of about 10 requests and a progressive limiting of our account (I now cannot withdraw or spend money) even though every request has been responded to quickly and correctly. We currently have about $1000 stuck in the account that we cannot access.
I have had to remove PayPal as a payment option (which isn't popular with our customers) as we can't get the money. Luckily I got to this fairly early otherwise it could have been a lot more money locked up.
It has now descended into farce with the latest request for information being for information already requested and is clearly sitting on THEIR server with a big green "Accepted" next to it.
More frighteningly, they have also insisted that a certificate have a registration number on it that DIDN'T EXIST when the certificate was created (here the company is being penalized for being 25 years old!) They want the number to be on the certificate... I tell them that that numbering system didn't exist then... they want the number to be on the certificate... I tell them that I can provide other documentation showing the number issued after the number was actually created (2 years after the certificate)... they want the number to be on the certificate... I rant and ask for escalation... they want the number to be on the certificate.
You have been warned. Be VERY careful with PayPal.
Paul Hooper
If you spend your whole life looking over your shoulder, they will get you from the front instead.
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Interesting, I signed up for PayPal Here about 4 months ago and I don't have any limitations or information requests.
Maybe because you are not US-based they are making you jump through more hoops...
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Paul Hooper wrote: This has triggered an "Information Request" for our business
May I ask what exactly an "information request" is, and what it's for?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Basically they are trying to determine if we really are who we say we are. The root cause is an Australian Government law to prevent criminals using things like PayPal for money laundering. I actually don't disagree with the concept, just the execution by PayPal.
1. If the law is so important, why was I able to do business for so long without providing this identification to PayPal? Why has asking to look at PayPal Here suddenly prompted this review? I would have MUCH preferred having to provide all this information up front, before PayPal was backed into our processes. This has come out of nowhere and is causing havoc with established processes.
2. Most importantly, be reasonable about things and only lock up money if they have a suspicion that something wrong is happening. In our case, they asked for identifying information (copies of Certificates of Incorporation etc) and locked our account so we couldn't close it. After three request rounds (including things like a "Mission Statement" for the company) where we had provided everything they had asked for, they suddenly increased our limitation to prevent us moving money out of the account and started the farce discussed earlier.
Worst of all, it is like fighting the Hydra. I have never had two communications from the same person.
Grrrrr.
Paul Hooper
If you spend your whole life looking over your shoulder, they will get you from the front instead.
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If you have the stamina it may be worth following this through with your government - on a slightly separate note I have followed some of Senator Nick Xenophon's campaigning and have been very impressed with what he has achieved with regards to a certain money making religion.
I have had a bad experience with paypal where they allowed someone to pay for my software then withdraw the payment claiming it was fraudulent hence gaining the key to my software and distributing it online.
Anything that can help clean up their act is a good thing in my opinion - they have a huge amount of power and need to learn to be responsible with this power.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Paul Hooper wrote:
1. If the law is so important, why was I able to do business for so long without providing this identification to PayPal?
Perhaps because this represents an account change and thus they must now get it.
Or because of the account change they just noticed they never got the information when they should have and now they are playing catch up.
Paul Hooper wrote: Worst of all, it is like fighting the Hydra
They are basically an unregulated bank. The option of course is to stop using them entirely. There are other mobile payment providers.
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You have my deep sympathies, Paul. Over a decade ago, for a few years I dabbled in dealing in S.E. Asian art, mainly to finance my own collection. Going into business resulted in a nightmare with my US PayPal, account, like something out of Kafka. They still have about US $90 of mine, now locked up for eleven (?) years, or so.
And, often, when a collector-client come to the country I lived in, and hired me to negotiate for them using my skills (gained at very high cost) in bargaining in the country's native language with dealers, and helping them avoid scammers, and fakes, the visiting client had their PayPal account frozen just because they were "in" S.E. Asia, with the same kind of Catch-22 demands for information the client couldn't possibly send them proof of, since the documents were back in America, or Europe.
I thought perhaps PayPal had really evolved after its acquisition by eBay, but, reading your story, it sounds like the same-old.
bill
Google CEO, Erich Schmidt: "I keep asking for a product called Serendipity. This product would have access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." 2004, USA Today interview
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I hope it doesn't go on that long! Lots of our customers want to use PayPal and the loss of PayPal as a payment option would be difficult to manage - far worse than the $1000.
One good factor is that they are "attacking" me under Australian Law. Australia also has a Financial Ombudsman who would be very interested in this sort of thing.
All of this for a business that has been running for 25 years with basically no complaints from anyone. We sell to schools and teachers. I cannot imagine a less threatening scenario!
Paul Hooper
If you spend your whole life looking over your shoulder, they will get you from the front instead.
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They're just making up bullshit, knowing they hold all the cards. Their goal is to make you give up, so they can steal your money.
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IMHO, Harold aptroot is correct, Hooper! BTW, don't get too optimistic about Ombudsman business in Australia. It is another farce with entirely different Hydra monster.
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My sympathies, I moved recently and on hell of a time changing all my PayPal information and I don't think I got it all straightened out but I can use it for purchases. I can only imagine what you're going though.
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Just like the hoops you have to jump through for a code-signing certificate. TONS of fun proving who you are, especially if you're just a person with a DBA thing.
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Not BS, not to be dismissed just because it's only $1000.00 (US), not an issue over which one should lose sleep.
From experience then, but unfortuneatly America not Australia, the Better Business Bureau is the easiest place to make a query about any situation with a company. Next find the state's district attorney's office, online and "way easy" to find a surface address to which a letter of inquiry can be sent. Include all corporate flags found in any "who we are" page of the PayPal corporate listing, a list of chief officers their street addresses, their legal reprentation by name and by street address, the periods of personal business transaction with the organisation, and any other logistical innformation, and be sure to state what you think is your legal right given the circumstance. Chances are you'll get a very fast reply. And if you're lucky a statement to the effect that the company is currently under investigation, if not a legal document case number, presumeably to which your own information has now been added.
Don't expect instant results from either of these contact. Cases take time to go to court.
And now for the downside of contacting BBB and State's Attourney. You open yourself up to subpeona in crimnal proceedings. And although I'll start talking through my hat now that the the word "civil" comes up, how anyone really expects to proceed on gaining access to $1000.00 of their own money based upon "just because it's my money" kind-of-logic, might be something that determines whether you just cut your loses and move on. Today.
That last bit of advice should be taken to heart by anyone who has better things to do than pursue hours/weekks/months/years of fruitless doggedness getting what's owed to them by a company.
In short, drop PayPal. And forgettaboutit.
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I am getting few inquiries about developing few applications in Perceptual Computing. It ranges from New Applications to integrating PerC in existing one. Estimated man hour will be varying from 100 hours to about 800 hours. Applications will be written in C#+Wpf+PerC.
In India, we are getting about $15 par hour(  ). I just wanted to know from US based programmers as to what would be a good contract rate for such applications. I have 10 years of experience and have produced several enterprise, app store, entertainment specific apps. Also if anybody can throw some light on what is the basis rate at which they are outsourced to India would be of great help.
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