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Hi,
fyi: that pop-up is not available on Win 7, using AdBlock Plus 1.3.4, in Chrome Version 27.0.1430.0 dev-m, as I commented on in my previous message ("dark side"), below. Whether that's because this is the frequently updated dev version of Chrome, or whether that's ADBP: I don't know.
It's also possible that using the MVPS Hosts file, which is being discussed here on other threads, may make it impossible, even using the way to "white-list" the CP domain in ADBP, I mention in my previous thread here, to not block CP Ads.
That's a hypothesis I intend to test, soon.
I am sure that, putting our "collective intelligence" to work, we can find a way to still retain the benefits of the MVPS Hosts files disabling the incredible number of sites that use DoubleClick.net to serve ads, while not blocking CP's ads, also served by DoubleClick.
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
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Look at the right end of the omnibox.
Bob Dole The internet is a great way to get on the net.
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BillWoodruff wrote: Chrome Version 27.0.1430.0
I use FireFox 19.0, and I can see the popup.
The quick red ProgramFOX jumps right over the Lazy<Dog>.
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It's not just ABP - if you have NoScript installed, you need to enable the doubleclick.net domain before the ads will load.
It's a pity the ad script can't be hosted on CodeProject, so that we'd only need to enable one domain.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hi, Richard,
Thanks for bringing "NoScript" to my attention: voted up !
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
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Richard Deeming wrote: It's a pity the ad script can't be hosted on CodeProject, so that we'd only need to enable one domain
The script is used for our entire DeveloperMedia network, hence the use of the DeveloperMedia CDN. Pulling from CodeProject.com also slows things down a little.
But yeah, I know...
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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FYI, you can use a CNAME record to use a Code Project subdomain to refer to content hosted on a CDN. Suppose I have an image hosted at ljksdflkjldgjsldfjsdf.rackcdn.com/myimage.png. Rather than refer to that, I can create a CNAME record so that any traffic to images.codeproject.com will be served by that CDN. So when I have an image on the page pointing to images.codeproject.com/myimage.png, it will actually be served up by ljksdflkjldgjsldfjsdf.rackcdn.com/myimage.png. If you want, you can even create images1.codeproject.com, images2.codeproject.com, and so on (that way, the browser can do more downloads in parallel).
This can work for any file as far as I'm aware (e.g., JavaScript). And ad blockers shouldn't be able to block it. I imagine that would also enable users to create a wildcard rule to allow all traffic from *.codeproject.com.
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Hi, You may wish to read the other threads on this forum where the blocking of CP Ads is being discussed by those of who use the MVPS HOSTS file, and, also, the use of that HOSTS file along with ADBlock Plus.
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
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Hi,
~ I:
My "action item" based on the information discussed here is to write a message on the AdBlockPlus whatever Forum, and ask if all ads appearing on CP, no matter if they originate from doubleclick.net, or wherever, can be enabled, by "white-listing" the CP domain in the ADBP user-interface white-list facility.
... edit ...
okay, message posted on AdBlock Plus Forum at [^]. Message title: "Unblocking a site whose ads are served by double-click.net
by BWoo » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:48 am"
...
While this is written in the context of another thread here, where we are discussing how to enable CP ads that are served by doubleclick.net, while still using the MVPS Hosts file, I think this information is relevant enough to CP, as a site, to warrant a new thread on this forum, and part of what I will discuss here is directly related to CP and AdBlock Plus.
~ II: "the dark side" of ADBP ?
"MEDIA MAFIOSOS: IS ADBLOCK PLUS SHAKING DOWN WEBSITES FOR CASH TO LET ADS THROUGH?"
By Molly McHugh — February 21, 2013" [^]
The above article suggests that there may a not-so-public-service side to ADBP. Of course, that's one article on one site, and I, personally, do not have the time, or inclination, to wade deeply into the issues raised by the article, see if the article is credible by examining other reports, look at the possible rebuttals by ADBP, etc.
The fact that Reddit has been "white-listed" on ADBP (confirmed by other articles on the web): meaning: its ads "get-through" if you have enabled ADBP's "non-intrusive advertising initiative:" is interesting, in light of what is discussed in the article.
To opt-out of that "initiative:" "Click Adblock Plus preferences and uncheck 'Allow non-intrusive advertising'."
~ III: more specifically related to CP:
Today, I examined the contents of the two "Lists" that I subscribe to using AdBlock Plus in Chrome (I'm using the dev version of Chrome), EasyList, and EasyPrivacy.
These two lists are "put forward" by AdBlock Plus as the first visible choices: you can click a link to see other available lists.
To my surprise, there is one specific entry in the "EasyList" List for CodeProject: which is in a text file accessible at: [^]. The entry for CodeProject is in a section set off by:
!---------------------------Third-party advertisers---------------------------!
And reads:
||codeproject.com^*/adm/
I don't know really know what this entry does, or how that may, or may not, relates to the fact that CP ads are served by doubleclick.net. Nor, do I have any intent spending my time learning the internal syntax of AdBlock Plus files. fyi: both the two "lists" I subscribe to with AdBlock Plus have lots of entries that block stuff from doubleclick.net, just as the MVPS Hosts file has numerous entries.
yrs, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
modified 6-Mar-13 2:53am.
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A very detailed analysis Bill. Ad blocking is something I've never really bothered with, so this is all double dutch to me. I'll continue letting CP show me ads.
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Hi Pete,
My guess is that if you installed the MVPS Hosts file [^], you'd appreciate the great reduction in "static" as you browsed sites on the webs; you would notice it. The February 25 update of the MVPS Hosts file contains, I estimate, over 15000 entries to block.
The MVPS' project is a non-profit public service, and I heartily support the effort made to keep it updated.
But, of course, I have no "agenda" that anyone else should be using it !
Because of my widely varied interests in literature, archaeology/evolution of iconography of "sacred" and "animist" art in South-East Asia, ancient trade routes between "east" and "west," and, also because I visit some sites specific to Thailand and Thai cultural studies, and haunt all kinds of psychology and science related sites, and geek sites, and so forth ... well ...
... perhaps because of the variety of my surfing, the MVPS Hosts file may be more useful, for me, than for someone whose surfing is in a "narrower topical range" ? Just a thought: wouldn't want to elevate that into a "hypothesis" 
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
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You're right. My surfing is very tightly aimed. I typically only visit half a dozen sites a week. As for ads, they tend to occupy that conscious blind spot - I mentally filter them out based on years and years of conditioning. I'm not saying that I would recommend this strategy for anyone else; it's just what works for me.
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The Point is not to blocks add but to prevent google and others from gathering information about my surfing. Yes I disbled blocking for CP, because this board and it's sources is important for me, but I don't like google to know if I like teas and coffee and black trousers.
So I block every information from other sides not only the ads.
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Given that my surfing is pretty much confined to Code Project, Amazon, Intel, BBC, Daily Telegraph, nufcblog.org and The Daily Mash, it's not as though they are going to be too bad.
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No, of course not. And not everyone must be so overcautious. At home I have a dozen tools installed to protect me from any tracking. It's like a quirk.
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Why don't you just use private/incognito browsing? Or just clear cookies on a weekly basis?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Why don't you just use private/incognito browsing? Or just clear cookies on a weekly basis?
Hi Chris, In my case I would not want to bother switching between incognito/cognito modes in Chrome.
Messing around with Cookies is a chore that I prefer to let CCleaner handle for me: once a week, or, so, I open it up to review any persistent Cookies that have been written, but blocked by whatever, which CCleaner displays in a very typical two-panel "out vs. in" user interface, with arrow-key buttons letting you shift any Cookie from one status to the other.
Whether the persistent Cookies that show up in CCleaner are flagged as "blocked" by the EmsiSoft anti-bad-thing software I use, Chrome settings, or Windows Defender, or AdBlock Plus: I don't know. CCleaner certainly does not run any always-on service, or process.
I may move some of the blocked persistent Cookies to the "allowed" status, depending on what site they came from. Once in a while I may shift a persistent Cookie to "blocked."
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
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Chris Maunder wrote: Why don't you just use private/incognito browsing? Or just clear cookies on a weekly basis?
Yes, I do this. But you still can be tracked and identified. So some other tools, showing all trackers, hiding IP, deleting cookies, identifying hidden addons.
At home I'm as safe I can be. In my company I didn't have the same extreme setting, I just catched a trojaner, while installing a firefox addon from Mozilla (they removed it afterwards). Because I wanted to install the same at home I got messages of unusual operations from my extratools. Then I recognized what this addon was doing, didn't complete the installprocess and removed it at work, too.
I once got a virus from university, since then I installed so many different tools, that I never got an infect and I'm hard to track.
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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My kids clear cookies as soon as they are put in the cupboard.
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I do that too 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I see what you did there.
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... edit ... broken link fixed ...
I have had one response to my post on the ADBlock Plus' user-forum about this issue: [^].
And, the person responding is also, evidently, the author of the kind of default block-site list for ADBP, named "EasyList." So that's given me an opportunity to ask him about exact effects of entry in the "EasyList" for CodeProject.com:
||codeproject.com^*/adm/
yours, Bill
"Good people can be induced, seduced, and initiated into behaving in evil ways. They can also be led to act in irrational, stupid, antisocial, mindless, and self-destructive, ways when they are immersed in 'total situations' that impact human nature in ways that challenge our sense of the stability and consistency of individual personality, of character, and of morality."
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, in "The Lucifer Effect" 2008: ISBN-10: 08129744
modified 7-Mar-13 4:37am.
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BillWoodruff wrote: ||codeproject.com^*/adm/
This won't do anything.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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BillWoodruff wrote: MEDIA MAFIOSOS: IS ADBLOCK PLUS SHAKING DOWN WEBSITES FOR CASH TO LET ADS THROUGH
This epitomises my desire to have people think about the choices they make. That's a fascinating read and if the allegations are true opens them up to lawsuits.
The actual number of people who block ads on CodeProject is low, and I don't know whether that's because people don't see the need, or because there's genuine interest in the ads, or because devs truly want to help out in whatever way they can. I hope the last two.
I totally get the rationale for blocking both ads and tracking tags, but my next question to those who block for tracking purposes is: do you have a credit card or are you part of a rewards progam? Online tracking is essentially anonymous unless you opt-in with more info. The pre-digital marketing programs we've grown up with for decades are very, very personal and detailed in what they know about you and what they track.
I personally don't care who tracks me online - they can build up the most detailed profile they want, and then I'll clear cookies and disable flash. No more profile. My Air Miles program and my AmEx? They know details about me not even my loved ones know!
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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