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Daytona_67526-Sep-12 10:42 
I'm more or less ignoring it, Windows 8 Metro/RT development that is.

I'm running Windows 8 on my work PC and home, but have turned off all the metro stuff (and taken great lengths to do so), so it's like Windows 7 but with the nice Windows 8 file copy. I understand devs would have put a lot of hard work into the Metro interface, I just don't like it in a production environment. Or even home actually.

On topic - I gave it a shot, I liked the interface at first, but then it got in the way. I haven't tried Windows 8 on a tablet, it could be nice on that. But I am using it on a touch screen desktop at work - and it's not that nice in my opinion.

I agree with you - I think Microsoft has a lot to prove and I do feel that this may be a bad direction. Microsoft do need to do something, but I'm just not sold this is the correct way. A bit about me - I've been a WinForms developer for ages, started with C++Builder and VCL and now a .NET dude through and through. I've liked MS stuff for ages and love the .NET framework for enterprise and desktop apps. The Windows ecosystem has always been so open, but this direction with Windows RT seems to be the other direction. On Android, I can easily develop an APK file, put it on any device and give it a test. I can't seem to do that with Windows 8. I can remotely debug a device, but even that is limited to x86 CPU's and not ARM.

I'm looking at making a mobile app for phones and tablets but for this app I'm doing - I'm not targeting desktops. I'm targeting people that have tablets that are at the beach or in bed or on a train - people sitting at a desk using a keyboard and mouse is not my target audience. I've looked at various ways to target mobile development. I was thinking target the Windows RT apps, but looking at the market (I know hard to say at this point, you'll have to probably wait a couple years) I don't see the reason to target the Windows platform from an app perspective. I've looked at MonoDroid, PhoneGap, the new DXtreme stuff and so on, but I'm now learning Java through Eclipse and targeting Android devices (first anyways).

I first looked at using VS2012 (which I don't like either, I prefer the colorful environment of VS2010) and creating apps through there and I can quickly create an app and use my existing skillset to develop an app - very fast. Some of the controls are awesome. The simulator is pretty handy. But at the end of the day, I want to write an app that will be found by the largest amount of people. At this point in time, it's Apple and Android. That may change in a couple years, but looking at the Microsoft Store right now - it's a pretty sad state. Some of the apps that have been approved are just ridiculous.

I've been asking heaps of people - what phones do they have? If they get a tablet, what would they get? The general consensus I find is that most people like iPhones/iPads or Androids (or the dumb phone category). Not turning this into a platform war, but Microsoft hardly enters the picture for a lot of people (from what I've found). For mobile devices that is. For my desktop, I wouldn't use anything else. But I don't use Microsoft as a... fun device.

I think what I've written is half on topic, half off, but to just answer the question - I think there is an app shortage, but it's to be expected. As a developer trying to get into mobile development, I just don't see a huge amount of interest in the Windows platform as a mobile device. I could be well wrong here. I work in a software house and no one here runs Microsoft as a mobile device. We run dumb phones, Androids or iPhones. I've asked and taken note of all the clients we serve - I haven't found one person running a Windows device.

That Nokia 920 and the HTC/Samsung devices could change things and well, if I start to see good reviews on those devices and if I actually start to see Windows devices out there carried by the public - I'll re-evaluate my priorities.

So all in all - I want to write an app that reaches the most amount of people. I realize that when new Windows computers come out, they'll have Windows 8. It's just I'm not 100% sure yet that's what people will be getting. Apple products are more popular now and Android devices are nearly at a stage where you can use them as a home computer. I think the day and age of having a computer room is nearly a bygone thing. Crikey's, I have a laptop (Windows 8 now), a pretty decent one I use to develop on. But I wouldn't recommend a Windows tablet nor PC to someone wanting a computer just for internet, basic word processing or games.

It's going to take me time and effort to jump from WinForms development into the mobile world and at present, the order of precedence for me as a developer is:

1) Android
2) iPhone
3) Windows 8

Sorry for the long story!

modified 26-Sep-12 17:11pm.

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