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Come to think of it, isn't it both? Say, half full and half empty?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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Yea, we know that  . The question is what comes to mind. And in my eyes, it depends on what you expected. If you expected it to be full, then it has been emptied. If you expected it to be empty, then it is half full.
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Tom Clement wrote: If you expected it to be empty, then it is half full.
So, in your wording, someone who says that it is half full, is a pessimist? (By expecting it to be empty?)
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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No, that's the point. People who start out expecting nothing, appreciate everything. The irony is that those bitter, pessimistic folks are bitter because their expectations have been repeatedly dashed. The optimistic cure, don't expect the world to be perfect and give you things, and when something good does come your way, be happy and delighted with it. Then, your experience of the world is that it's always giving you more than you expect. Hence, an optimist.
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My apologies beforehand; I'm not a very social person with some simple and extreme views.
Tom Clement wrote: No, that's the point.
Would be a logical deduction from his reasoning - regardless whether the shrink that came up with the test likes the answer or not. Let me rephrase that; psychology is not a science.
Tom Clement wrote: People who start out expecting nothing, appreciate everything.
I heard that line before, and I've been making it ridiculous for the past twenty years. If you expect to sleep after you go to bed, your assumption is merely confirmed. How does it help going to bed and expecting nothing?
Tom Clement wrote: The irony is that those bitter, pessimistic folks are bitter because their expectations have been repeatedly dashed.
Pessimistic people aren't bitter by default. As a pessimistic cynic, I keep seeing my expectations confirmed, and it doesn't make me bitter - I already know that taxes will rise next year, I expect them to, and I still think that taxes are the best invention since sliced sandwiches.
Tom Clement wrote: The optimistic cure, don't expect the world to be perfect and give you things
How did you come to the idea that a non-optimist expects things from the universe? Get of that jump-to-conclusions mat!
FWIW; the world is perfect! There is no single place where the laws of nature "make a mistake", there's no place in the world where gravity is upside-down and there are no sand-grains in the desert that are made of ice.
However we view the world is up to us, and a fire can be both a good and a bad thing. With the key difference that many lazy people rather take an optimistic approach 
Tom Clement wrote: Hence, an optimist.
"Hope and prayer" (optimism) are not always a good strategy.
Look at an Apple objectively.
Look at it as an optimist.
Look at it as a pessimist.
..look at it as a thief.
..as an invester.
..an art-collector.
..a parent.
..a Objective C coder.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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One of the first things I learned at college was that nothing is as simple as mathematics and code. You can look at the same problem and come up with many different ways of seeing it. (The trick to amazingly good communication is to first understand the other person's mental model, then use that to convey what you think.)
Here, we're bantering around the definition of a couple of words. You can argue that the definition is one thing or the other, and really, it will be hard to say that anyone won the argument. On the other hand, the information that I'm trying to convey by my argument is not *really* what the definition of "optimist" or "pessimist" is. It probably boils down to a discussion of what can make us happy in our lives.
If we expect nothing, and appreciate everything (ok, that's probably a bit overboard), then every breath of air is a gift, every moment of life is precious, every spoonful of ice cream is wonderful. I do understand that in some ways of defining it, "Expect Nothing" = Pessimist, and "Expect Everything" = Optimist. Again, the irony. We also think of Optimists as been cheerful and happy, and Pessimists as being glum and morose. So we get to the crux of the issue. I would suggest that those who people typically perceive as Optimistic are actually people who expect little, and revel in the joy of getting more than they expect, while those who are typically perceived as pessimists are actually people who come into any situation expecting everything, and who are inevitably disappointed.
Ultimately, I would suggest that optimism and pessimism are probably best described as emotional states rather than as people who state (respectively) expectations of more or less. Hence the suggestion that those who are happy to see a glass half full probably didn't expect it at all, while those who see the glass half empty are bummed because they went into it with the expectation that if the world were "right", the damn glass would have come to them already full.
Anyway, it's a joy to chat with you about this
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Thanks for the elaboration and your time
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As an engineer I can state confidently: the glass is neither half full nor half empty, it is twice as big as it needs to be.
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I am surprised that results are not Gauss Bell like. We are statistically odd... 
36. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free.
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Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
SUN-TZU - Art of War
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Don't worry, after Professor Maunder normalizes the voting results only a couple of CP'ians will be getting A's and the remaining results will create a nice bell curve.
All of my software is powered by a single Watt.
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??? It's a skewed distribution. Where's the surprise in that? On what premise should it be a normal distribution?
Peter Wasser
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I care not for calendars. One day at a time.
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That's soooo yesterday!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I dont feel optimistic since the world war 3 is coming this year.
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I do hope Iran are not the instigators.
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Iran should not be harassed
Iran's pro-peace but now Iran is very very powerful and can easily protect himself
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Mohammad Masood Ashrafi wrote: Iran is very very powerful and can easily protect himself
Nothing a bucket of sun can't sort out.
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Mohammad Masood Ashrafi wrote: Iran should not be harassed
Iran's pro-peace but now Iran is very very powerful and can easily protect himself
Whatever it is you're drinking, where can we get some?
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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He is drinking your evil blood.
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My oh my - so touchy!
I didn't realize you and he were dating. You're right, Of course: I should have guessed!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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North Korea bombs South Korea, US bring in the big guns, China steps in and...
That's when the fight starts.
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Oh yeah its sad when we polute planet earth, oh yeah a population thinner may do this world some good.
Not that I'm an advocate for war but let this year make all people realise what our earth provides we should respect.
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Norm .net wrote: That's when the fight starts
... and ends the world on 21st Dec this year? 
Why are you talking like that?
..Go Green..
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