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David Wulff wrote:
What, you mean you can't tell a foum based on it's forum ID shown in your address bar?!
David, he is not a true believer. It is our job to convert him. Get his address and we can walk over and knock on his door, to bring him the True Light.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Roger Wright wrote:
Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
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maybe you didn't read what i wrote:
unless i actually bother to look at the top of the page...
-c
Fractals
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Sure I did. The top of the page is where the forum's are shown in the table. The top of the window is where the address bar sits. You wrote "unless i actually bother to look at the top of the page, there isn't a nice clear visual distinction" - the URL is not a nice clear visual distinction as the position of the forum ID is not immeadiately obvious, hence I suspect you were referring to the "red and black" forum table.
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At the top of the page, the first thing that hits your eye is the big red forum name bang in the middle of the page. Unless of course you are following a direct link ot a message like those you get in response notification e-mails, but those all state the forum name anyway. Or I suppose unless you are red-blue colour blind (can that happen?).
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i'm gonna say it again:
unless i actually bother to look at the top of the page
-c
Fractals
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Ok, to which I will say again:
What, you mean you can't tell a foum based on it's forum ID shown in your address bar?!
We've been full circle now. 
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David Wulff wrote:
Ok, to which I will say again
to which i'll say ... quit ignoring the point of the post.
a simple color change would make identification of the forum trivially easy (regardless of which link you followed, what the thread topics were listed, etc).
-c
Fractals
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Chris Losinger wrote:
to which i'll say ... quit ignoring the point of the post.
I wasn't, I was making a valid point. IMHO changing the colour of one of the forums would be a stupid idea, it would remove the instant recognition that is it CodeProject.com and it would open the way for every single forum being individually coloured so those that can't be bothered to check they are posting in the right forum don't need to spend any effort. You come down on people who post programming questions in the lounge for missing the "no programming questions" notice, yet you don't expect yourself to be held to the same standard? 
Even making more subtle changes such as, for example, a coloured stripe on the inside of the side bar would end up creating confusion for those not initiated into it's purpose. Look how many people are confused by the message colouring trigged by message voting.
A good solution would be to put the forum name in the document title, but that would still require some effort to read.
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David Wulff wrote:
MHO changing the colour of one of the forums would be a stupid idea, it would remove the instant recognition that is it CodeProject.com
i totally disagree. and as proof that it's not confusing or detracting, i direct you to SlashDot. the forum colors change depending on the category the thread was put into (law, tech, entertainment, Mac, etc); in fact if you're on a Mac topic, the whole site flips into a kind of Mac OsX scheme (Aqua rounded edges and so on). but you never get the feeling that you've left /.
in /.s case, there's really no need to know which category a thread is in, because the rules don't change. but on CP, the rules do change (no programming Qs, PG-13, etc.).
i realize some people are afraid of change and wnat everything to stay the same forever. and that's ok with me, really. but, sometimes change is for the better.
-c
Fractals
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I'm not afraid of change, but to me if it is orange and has a green alien on it it is CodeProject, and I suspect Chris and co are counting on that. Just look at the newsletter, the media kit, the official logos. CodeProject is quite unique in that respect, I can't name any other web site I have stumbled accross that has the same branding: I could tell you if a page was CodeProject without putting on my glasses, and I am very short sighted.
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David Wulff wrote:
I can't name any other web site I have stumbled accross that has the same branding
a color scheme and a logo?
i'm not saying make it purple on red, maybe just change the pale tan background that the message headers sit on to a pale blue (a color that's already in heavy usage).
whatever.
-c
Fractals
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Chris Losinger wrote:
a color scheme and a logo?
Not a colour scheme and a logo, the colour scheme and a logo.
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David Wulff wrote:
Not a colour scheme and a logo, the colour scheme and a logo.
'k, so how 'bout a colour scheme in The Lounge, and a color scheme in The Soapbox? With the same logo for both? Subtle but obvious?
Shog9
The Man.
The Legend.
The Bored, Narcissistic, Whiteboard-marker Sniffing Programmer.
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One little typo and... 
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I'm with you David. The forums are clearly labeled, and if someone is too lazy to read the label, that is their problem. No need to destroy the look and feel of CP just to satisfy someone who can't read and just wants to colour instead.
CPUA 0x5041
Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little
"So it can now be written in stone as a testament to humanities achievments "PJ did Pi at CP"." Colin Davies
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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PJ Arends wrote:
No need to destroy the look and feel of CP
oh my goodness! not the look and feel!!!
maybe you guys could start an "Overreaction and Fear of Change" club.
-c
Get there first with something patented, proprietary, and broken, then send lawyers after anyone who points out problems. --- Peter Gutmann
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Chris Losinger wrote:
maybe you guys could start an "Overreaction and Fear of Change" club.
Start one , heck, I've been a member for years;P
CPUA 0x5041
Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little
"So it can now be written in stone as a testament to humanities achievments "PJ did Pi at CP"." Colin Davies
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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Chris,
How about reducing server/client load on article bookmarking using a pop-up window rather than reloading the whole article?
Davy
Weblog, Ramblings and more...
www.latedecember.com
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How about a separate forum for all the political and war discussions. That way, the Lounge can keep the laid-back feeling it originally had, and the huge threads that invariably result from serious topics won't clog up the Lounge. It would also be different from the Soapbox, in that people will have to stay PG-13.
This is in no way meant to be a punishment, it will just give the serious topics their own space on the site.
--Mike--
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click!
My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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An option is to have another forum 'tech talk' that is purely tech/gadget talk. Keep the lounge as is, move it down a notch on the home page, and have the Tech-talk forum have pride of place in order to encourage tech and gadget talk.
Sorry - but I too am a little sick of hearing about GW.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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hmm, well that separates things along a completely different line. I was thinking, return the Lounge to a "shooting the breeze" type of forum, not create two new forums out of it.
The things I like to see in the Lounge are "I can't believe this stupid coding error I just did... anyone else ever do this?" or "what's the most underrated movie" along with tech topics like "what hard drive do you all recommend?". All those would be fine in the Lounge. If the forums were separated by tech/non-tech, the "silly error" and "best movie" threads would be overwhelmed by the serious discussion.
--Mike--
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click!
My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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I meant to say something when you mentioned this in the Lounge, but forgot. I think that is a wonderful idea.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
and have the Tech-talk forum have pride of place in order to encourage tech and gadget talk.
I think a gadget forum would be great.
Although it's not really the CP style, I'd like to see a gadget a day introduced. Or maybe even a gadget section at CP where people could do a review of a gadget.
I know this is a coding site. But somehow I think a high proportion of users here are into the latest gadgets.
My 2 cents.
As to the 'Serious Discussion Forum' , Why not just ban politics and religion point blank. They same arguements are just being rehashed every 12 months.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign'
Rob Manderson wrote:
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Seems that the search results are just that: results. Nobody asked for the link to the message, right?
All my searches in the VisualC Forum have links in the result that open just the messageboards overview 
like this one[^]
Holy Sh*t! I'm speechless. (hey, that's a first) Marc Clifton, The Lounge
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