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Dan Neely wrote: skew articles with downloads as being enormously more valuable for rep than
those without
Articles are supposed to have downloads and if they get through the vetting process without then too bad for them loosing points.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Not all good articles have enough code, or even any at all, to justify a download.
Here're 5 examples from JSOP and POH (picked because I knew they had a bunch from looking at the impact of DLs on votes). They've both got several more that have good scores on 3/4 ratings but I was being choosy here.
Determining Ideal Text Color Based on Specified Background Color[^] Views: 64,396 Rating: 4.76/5 Votes: 91 Popularity: 9.32
Build Your Own NAS Device[^] Views: 112,660 Rating: 4.87/5 Votes: 61 Popularity: 8.70
Being a Programmer[^] Views: 65,511 Rating: 4.79/5 Votes: 194 Popularity: 10.95
Some guidelines for posting questions in the forums[^] Views: 150,431 Rating: 4.92/5 Votes: 80 Popularity: 9.37
Going Solo - First Steps in Building a Successful Company[^] Views: 51,888 Rating: 4.83/5 Votes: 66 Popularity: 8.79
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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It's amazing to me that there are some people who don't get this.
Brace yourself - a lot of members here have never written a single article, and they're not able to understand a reasonable statement like yours.
Today on CodeProject, rep points rule, not articles.
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 I totally agree.
Unfortunately, loud, incessant whining by some members has provoked the admins to reduce downloads to only 1 point. This is completely unfair to authors, and gives the lie to any claim that authors have priority on this site. It seems that in the rush to achieve some kind of status as a "social networking" site, the admins have found it inconvenient to do what's fair.
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You might want to switch to light lager rather than the bitters your downing 
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Hans Dietrich wrote: and gives the lie to any claim that authors have priority on this site
Wow.
Take a look at the number of ways and the vast quantity of points an author can and does earn. Take a look at the access and abilities top level authors are given over other types of points earned. Take a look at the homepage, the newsletters, the focus of the entire site. Consider the work that Sean, the other editors and the mentors put in to help authors on a personal level all day, every day, and the entire moderation are reporting system designed specifically to protect authors from being savaged by those who write first and think second.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I agree with you. Atleast 2 points should be given to author for each download; rather than earning 2 points for downloading someone else's source code/demo project. Is there any way to determine whether the article page has been saved to computer? Even though it might be tough to determine for unregistered users
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Hi Mark,
It would be valuable for you to review this thread[^] on the topic. Lots of pros and cons.
The crucial points:
- No system will be perfect.
- Whatever system I put in place will annoy >= 50% of the members who care
- Some members would like 5 points per downloads; Others would like .1 or .01 points. If we had 5 points per download then the points earned by the average author would be way, way out of balance with other points. I don't want a perfect balance for the average user who has author, authority and organiser points, for instance, but if we take myself, for instance, 5 download points gives me over a million author points which devalues the points earned by members up-voting.
- Some members feel bookmarking provides no value; Others feel bookmarking is far more symbolic than downloading
- Statistically there's about a 6:1 ratio of downloads to bookmarks and my experience is that members download without thought, and bookmark only if they truly think the article's worth something.
- We never used to track downloads and so were unable to award points. As of a few months we added tracking and so now authors gain points on top of the current points they get via their downloads.
- Author points (earned for having something downloaded) are different than, say, organiser points (earned for downloading). Each type of point provides different levels of rewards and access, and in some cases the level of points rewarded is decided on a behaviour that benefits the members as a whole (eg we don't award for downvoting, but we do for upvoting, even though both actions, performed sensibly, have the same intrinsic value)
- time-limiting points has been suggested as a change to the point system. While not particularly difficult, the current crop of long time top authors on the site would be the ones who suffer, though it depends on the staleness factor we use. I'm happy to give up all my points after a year. PJ Naughter, Joseph Newcomer and others who have provided seminal works that laid the bedrock for this site would have their points drastically cut. That's a little mean. So we could then introduce a hall of fame, or a "lifetime platinum status" that is reached after a certain level. No matter what I do, someone will miss out and be insulted. All because of a desire to increase download points when in fact many members want them decreased.
Crikey.
- The points system will not gain you riches, a collection of supermodels, or power over weaker men's minds. They are meant to be a fun way to track your progress and participation.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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As always I'm late to the party
No system where humans are involved will be perfect and you have the unenviable task of trying to please 8 million developers and still retain your mental facalties. I certainly appreciate your, and the CP staff's, efforts.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Chris Maunder wrote: - The points system will not gain you riches, a collection of supermodels, or power over weaker men's minds. They are meant to be a fun way to track your progress and participation
Says who?
I think you underestimate the power of the cp point system and the hamsters controlling it.
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This one --> 8 Simple Steps To Follow After Installing Mac OS X 10.7 Lion[^]
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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Working now. Maybe the webtablab.com (the site hosting the story) had a touch of the CodeProject effect.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Could be.
It has been known.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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Good God man! Do you ever stop?
--that's what she said.
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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See his[^] recent question here[^] and check all the questions here[^].
Always putting a link of some products and asking suggestions.
A friend walks in when everyone else walks out...
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Was a spammer, past tense as all the questions now deleted.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Just came across this answer[^] from the Web Development forum. It has received a downvote but it's still in blue.I haven't found other messages that has the same scenario but thought it might happen.
PS: I didn't downvote it.
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Replies in the forums aren't colourised
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Replies in the programming forums aren't colourised
FTFY
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Thanks. I thought it was a bug. I think it turned out to be a suggestion.
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Replies in the forums aren't colourised
But why are the upvoted ones colored with green? Shouldn't the downvoted ones also be colored with grey?
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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To be frank, the colourisation in the forums is suboptimal. What's means to happen is that good answers get highlighted, and poor questions dimmed, and that's about it.
Icons are the answer.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Hi,
Could it be possible to have an alternate email address in account information? The log in would still be made using the first email but notification messages would be sent to both addresses.
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Why not set up forwarding on one of your e-mail accounts?
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