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Hi there,
Check this out. It happends with all programs i have installed. I have WinXP SP2. When i open any program, lets say Winamp for example, the program starts with 11.000 KiB of memory usage, i minimize the program and immediatly restore it and now it uses 1.500 KiB.
Why is this happening? Do applications need to start minimized and then manually restored to make use (and show in the task manager) of the proper memory space?
Again, it happends with every windowed app. This issue is kind of important to me right now because i have to show the efficiency of a demo, in terms of response time and memory usage.
Any thoughs about this? Please try it.
Thanks.
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Heinz_ wrote: Why is this happening?
There's an amount of memory reserved to be used by your application 
I are Troll 
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First, stop looking at Task Manager to get your memory stats for your app. It's lying to you.
Next, I suggest reading up on .NET Memory Management and Garbage Collector to understand how it really works.
A .NET application runs in something like a virtual machine, sort of like Java does. What Task Manager is showing you is the memory that is RESERVED for the process, NOT what your app is actually using. Since the .NET CLR handles memory management for your application, it has to get memory from Windows to allocate to your application. This chunk of memory is the Managed Heap and all of your application objects are allocated from it. When your app frees an object, the memory goes back into the Managed Heap, not back to Windows. This is why your app appears to use more memory than it actually does.
The .NET CLR tries to keep this pool of memory at a resonable level, constantly watching how your app allocates objects and trying to predict when it's going to need more managed heap. It doesn't take near as much time to allocate an object in the Managed Heap than if it had to go to Windows to request more memory, add it to the heap, then allocate your object. The reverse is also true. If the CLR determines that there is an over abundance of unused Heap, it can return some of that memory back to Windows. Or, can even release as much memory as possible if Windows starts to run low and needs it back.
When you minimize the app, it's no longer in the foreground. The .NET CLR trims back the Managed Heap to something closer to what your app is actually using and returns that released memory back to Windows.
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Great answer Dave. I think every developer needs to get a basic understanding of the .Net CLR.
Sounds like you read my book.  (I haven't wrote any books)
The mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work unless it’s open.
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That's OK. I don't read any books, so there's really no need to write one.
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Richard Blythe wrote: Sounds like you read my book.
Dave only reads the back of cereal packets. His knowledge of IT is picked up by being in total harmony with the universe.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Dave only reads the back of cereal packets.
How the hell did you know that?!
No, seriously?
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I'll send you some box tops... 
The mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work unless it’s open.
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Thanks for this clear and concise explanation. Sometimes one doesn't know what one doesn't know - if you know what I mean! 5 from me. 
It’s not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it’s because we do not dare that things are difficult. ~Seneca
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm not using the task manager to get the memory stats in my app, i'm using GetProcessMemoryInfo() from the Win32 API wich is the same i guess.
The real thing is: Try this minimize-freemem thing with WinRAR and Task Manager. WinRAR is not .NET (.NOT for me  ). So, i think .NET is not the issue here. This also applies to Win32 and all subsequent wrappers.
Anyway, for my app i'm also using native Win32. Don't know why your reply is strictly related to .NET. "Windows Forms" is not .NET. WinForms is present also in COM programming (VB6 for example) and MFC so i guess i'm not in the wrong forum (unless this forum is specific for the System.Windows.Forms.dll .NET module).
.NET or not, my question has been answered anyway ("...What Task Manager is showing you is the memory that is RESERVED for the process, NOT what your app is actually using...").
Thank u very much.
-- Modified Monday, August 16, 2010 3:12 AM
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Heinz_ wrote: So, i think .NET is not the issue here.
Actually, .NET increases this little "problem". Your app may be very small and not use any data at all and still take up 20MB of memory when started. When you minimize/restore the window, the memory "usage" may drop to 500K, or whatever...
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hi i am using c# windowform 2005
i am trying to explore and learn if window form can manipulate mouse and keyboard movement e.g like a macro mouse to point 1,7 and etc
and what classes they use if it is possible
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yes it is possible.
AFAIK you need P/Invoke for mouse automation, see functions SendInput and SetCursorPos in user32.dll; for keyboard automation the .NET System.Windows.Forms.SendKeys class could be sufficient.
For all of them, you must make sure you are talking to the right window, which needs to have focus; so you will probably need even more P/Invoke and use functions GetForegroundWindow, SetForegroundWindow, GetWindowText, and maybe more.
Warnings:
1. you probably need to include some delays, say Thread.Sleep(100), so the target application can react to your automation inputs (which otherwise would come much faster than a human user would provide them);
2. whatever you do it will not be absolutely safe. For one, there could still be a user typing/mousing around; second, target apps may suddenly throw unexpected stuff at you, maybe a dialog telling you the disk got full, the network connection was lost, etc.
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My company has a winform application with hundreds of forms. The application is close to be released and management now want us to add application level security in it. So basically things like a user X in role Y can do certain things but should not be able to do other things. We cannot reply on the fact that all our clients will have windows domain.
My initial thought about its design is to have some kind of mapping in terms of UI elements in different forms and then make these UI elements read-only based on permissions. Just wondering if there are any patterns of implementing it and if anyone can point me to links for it? I have looked at Security Application Block in Micorosoft Enterprise Library and seem like it can be used for authenticating the users but its probably problematic if you are not on Active Directory (correct me if I am worng here)?
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imak wrote: The application is close to be released and management now want us to add application level security in it
What an excellent planning and design system you have. This is so common it hurts (it is now going to bite you guys).
From a couple of decades of practical experience!
. Internalise you security, manage your authorisation in your application by mapping UI elements to roles.
. We use an AEDX field on a function (UI element) that allows a fine grain control
. Base your authentication on Active Directories, once they log on they are authenticated, then look up your internal authorisation tables.
. Create a base form that all your dialog/forms can inherit that will do your user validation.
We have a main menu and 95% of apps (we have about 15) only require security applied to this level (ie this user group can have the Customer function but has no AEDX rights on the form, therefore it is read only)
Adding security to a major app is not a trivial excercise and testing is a stone bitch! Good luck
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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How are the security roles going to be described to you? Usually in situations like this the business user will describe the security in terms of a business process rather than individial pieces of data. Something like "the accounting role can process invoices" rather than "the accounting role can update the following fields...". If your app is designed along similar business process flows, then the security can probably be applied to a few buttons and menu items or at the form level rather than lots of individual data controls. Mapping each and every UI element to a permission scheme can be terrible for performance. Since this is something that you distribute to multiple clients you also need to decide about how the roles will be managed unless you intend to force the same scheme on all of your customers.
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this is the right time to add application level security. Never think about such things when you start writing your app. Always add security related things in a hurry short before release date - and of course don't waste time testing it.
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Hello imak,
In one of my application I have implemented Application settings same as you want to right now.
I developed Security Level for each type of user type. Admin can add so for each form/task in the application. When the logged user logs in, reading these set settings user can access or cannot access based on the security settings. For example, you have Customer form :
Customer
Add 0, 1, 2
Edit 0, 2
Delete 0
User Type with Roles (0- Admin, 1-Operator, 2-Receptionist] are set as 0, 1, 2... and so are to the tasks of Custoemr form. So you see
Add can be performed by Admin, Operator & Receptionist;
Edit can be performed by Admin & Receptionist;
Delete can be performed only by Admin
The same if you don't want to do task wise and only form wise, you can do that to by just setting for Customer form and not tasks of the form. So all tasks will be set by all those users.
Hope this helps.
NOTE: Vote if this helps.
Thanks & Regards,
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Hi code project members,
as the title says i want to achieve the following mockup (link to my skydrive, sfw):
FixedToolWindow_WithNoCloseButtonMockup[^]
I tried lots of possible solutions, like removing the menuitem through interop, setting Form.ControlBox to false, but either the close button is still visible, or the formborderstyle changes to one with round egdes.
I definitely would like to create one with the nice rectangular fixedtoolwindow style without all the os provided buttons.
If someone could help me out here, because im kind of lost here.
Thanks in advance.
Balkoth.
modified on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:44 PM, to fix the new window link
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AFAIK the only ones you can get right away are shown here[^]. If you need something else, you'll have to do all the painting, i.e. client AND non-client parts.
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Thanks for your help, i was hoping that there was something which i haven't yet discovered to do the magic trick.
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Hi members.
This is the preview, for what i was trying to achieve the effect.
Thanks for your attention.
Greets Balkoth
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Hi all,
I have a tabcontrol with a lot of tabs which may be added and removed dynamically. I'm using a multiline tab control due to the amount of tabs involved, and I would like to simple be able to add a tab to either the top or bottom row of tabs programatically. Is that at all possible?
Thanks..
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ruanr wrote: Is that at all possible?
Yup. Did you run into a non-working insert method? If yes, then there's a workaround[^].
IntPtr h = tabControl.Handle;
tabControl.TabPages.Insert(0, "test");
Alternatively, you could move pages around as shown below 
var tabControl = new TabControl();
tabControl.Parent = this;
tabControl.Dock = DockStyle.Fill;
tabControl.Multiline = true;
Controls.Add(tabControl);
tabControl.TabPages.Add("bla");
tabControl.TabPages.Add("bla2");
tabControl.TabPages.Add("bla3");
var temp = tabControl.TabPages[1];
tabControl.TabPages[1] = tabControl.TabPages[0];
tabControl.TabPages[0] = temp;
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I work alone, and I have developed a huge desktop app, probably a quarter million lines of code, that has evolved for well over 10 years.
I keep thinking it would be nice to convert it to a browser UI, but have watched many technologies go by, like asp, ajax, and now there's webmatrix, and sometimes I wonder whether I should take the leap, or whether it may cost me another 10 years to rewrite it for the web.
It uses .NET remoting, and is multithreaded, so wcf and parallel programming come to mind as well.
Fear promotes a lack of action, but knowledge defeats fear, so I thought I'd submit this general question to the "big team" out there in the code project universe.
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