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12-Jul-10 7:22

What was MS thinking when they created The .NET Compiler ?

Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble Frown | :(

and Don't tell me about The Blah ,Blah Obfuscated Code , My Cat can crack it $Shucks | :-\$

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DaveyM6912-Jul-10 7:25

DaveyM69

12-Jul-10 7:25

This should be posted in the Lounge as it's not a C# question.

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I Believe In GOD12-Jul-10 9:00

12-Jul-10 9:00

Thank you ,

My thought ( Would Lounge know what is the IL code ? )

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DaveyM6912-Jul-10 9:08

DaveyM69

12-Jul-10 9:08

Most would, but I get your point.

It was more of a statement/comment than a question IMO, if meant as a question then the .NET Framework forum would have been the correct place.

I didn't mean it personally hence not downvoting your post Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

[Edit: unlike others I see Sigh | :sigh:

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Keith Barrow12-Jul-10 9:33

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12-Jul-10 9:33

I didn't downvote, but there is a certain "lives-under-a-bridge waiting for goats" smell around the OP....

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Keith Barrow12-Jul-10 7:27

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12-Jul-10 7:27

Stark DaFixzer wrote:
Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble

OK I'm gonna bite, which .net exe file?

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harold aptroot12-Jul-10 7:28

12-Jul-10 7:28

Maybe they were thinking "this would be a nice way to get more support for 64bit" or maybe "this would make it easier to support new instruction sets in old programs without recompiling them" but if they were thinking that they should think again, it's true of course but they are still using the FP stack instead of SSE registers.

I Believe In GOD12-Jul-10 9:02

12-Jul-10 9:02

Thanks , I hate 64 bit things

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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr.12-Jul-10 8:03

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12-Jul-10 8:03

People that worry about their code being recompiled are worrying about the wrong things. I seriously doubt Apple would care if you managed to completely reverse engineer and steal there iStore for iTunes or whatever it is called because you would not be able to steal their market share or business model. And that, is what is important.

Most software that can be thought of as needing real protection from decompiling can actually be protected by patents, trademarks, and DMCA suits.

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12-Jul-10 14:01

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^Sir Dot Net12-Jul-10 9:43

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12-Jul-10 9:43

Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable? No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed.

My thoughts are, put a bit of money/effort in to disuade 'casual' disassemblers, and that's probably enough. Anyone who cares enough can crack any application.

hairy_hats12-Jul-10 23:08

12-Jul-10 23:08

Sir Dot Net wrote:
Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable?

Yes it is, you can't just Reflect a compiled C++ program and reproduce the source code the way you can with .NET IL.

Sir Dot Net wrote:
No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed.

Indeed, but MS have made it particularly easy with .NET IL.

harold aptroot12-Jul-10 23:13

12-Jul-10 23:13

It's about as easy as for Java

hairy_hats12-Jul-10 23:22

12-Jul-10 23:22

Java's not a native executable, it's also intermediate code.

harold aptroot12-Jul-10 23:55

12-Jul-10 23:55

Yes. Exactly. Are you trying to disagree? Poke tongue | ;-P

hairy_hats13-Jul-10 8:21

13-Jul-10 8:21

Are you here for the five minute argument or the full half hour? Poke tongue | ;-P

harold aptroot13-Jul-10 8:53

13-Jul-10 8:53

Shorter. You said this:

viaducting wrote:
Indeed, but MS have made it particularly easy with .NET IL.

I said it's about as easy as Java, as if to say that it's neither special nor new, which doesn't even actually disagree with the point you're making, it's just the kind of useless remark that people here would expect from me. Laugh | :laugh:

See? All done. No disagreement in sight. I'll go do something useful now.. for 5 minutes or so, then TF2 again Smile | :)

Pete O'Hanlon12-Jul-10 11:38

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12-Jul-10 11:38

More likely they were thinking that they should provide a unifying environment where you can write programs in a language of your choice, and get access to common features in the same way regardless of the language. This environment should be independent of the operating system and should provide a modern object oriented development experience. Obfuscation has never really been part of this roadmap, and is not really relevant to most corporate developments which value speed of development.

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