Bugs and Suggestions

R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 4:04

2-Jul-10 4:04

Both KSF and WS are entirely subjective: just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should be able to force your view on someone else. If you don't like what you see then report it. But if you're the only one, then it stays. If your attitude is that these posts are directly affecting you then leave though quite how that works is beyond me. You seriously think that a potential employer will hold you responsible for something that soemone else, entirely beyond your control, said or does? It's like saying you'll get fired for reading the wrong newspaper or for getting caught reading the wrong article. If you can't deal with that then perhaps you should leave. Good luck finding another forum as good as this or as well behaved as this one.

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Nemanja Trifunovic2-Jul-10 4:15

Nemanja Trifunovic

2-Jul-10 4:15

Unlike you, I am here under my real name.

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Simon_Whale2-Jul-10 4:33

Simon_Whale

2-Jul-10 4:33

I'm not sure what that has to do with his statement too which I agree with Digital mans response

If you found an article in a newspaper that you dont like you dont read it. There are many threads here I dont like so I dont read them, if they are inapproiate then I cast the remove option and hope others do the same!

One of the biggest problems here is the translation / interpetation of humour from different countries

As barmey as a sack of badgers

R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 4:54

Re: "Kid-sister friendly" rule in the Lounge [fixed]

2-Jul-10 4:54

Don't be a twat: everyone knows my name: it is the same as my email address.

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Xmen Real 2-Jul-10 4:39

2-Jul-10 4:39

digital man wrote:

It's like saying you'll get fired for reading the ~~wrong~~ newspaper that may have offensive news

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Chris Maunder2-Jul-10 4:42

2-Jul-10 4:42

Unfortuntely some work places really are this draconian.

And let's not forget: we're not talking about workplaces in the US or UK. This is a global site, and while there's no way I'm even attempting to satisfy the lowest common denominator, we all need to show a modicum of common sense with regards to the community as a whole.

cheers,
Chris Maunder

The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP

Xmen Real 2-Jul-10 4:46

2-Jul-10 4:46

what ? I just corrected his message. I dunno what you thinking.

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R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 4:57

2-Jul-10 4:57

Xmen W.K. wrote:
It's like saying you'll get fired for reading the wrong newspaper that may have offensive news

I can't agree with that: even if a newspaper is known for offensive views it would be my business if I read it, nobody elses and I would be mightily pissed of if someone else told me what I could or couldn't read.

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Xmen Real 2-Jul-10 5:01

2-Jul-10 5:01

you got me wrong...I say it may have. Like Lounge may have offensive message.

besides those weren't my words

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R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 5:04

2-Jul-10 5:04

Xmen W.K. wrote:
besides those weren't my words

They were when you changed them! Smile | :)

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Xmen Real 2-Jul-10 5:08

2-Jul-10 5:08

I just made 'em better Smile | :)

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Nemanja Trifunovic2-Jul-10 4:59

Nemanja Trifunovic

2-Jul-10 4:59

Xmen W.K. wrote:
It's like saying you'll get fired for reading the wrong newspaper that may have offensive news

It is not about getting fired, but to go with your analogy - if I was a journalist I would want to write for a respectable newspaper.

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R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 5:03

2-Jul-10 5:03

and some just don't care. It's not up to you to dictate what is right and wrong or offensive or otherwise.

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Xmen Real 2-Jul-10 5:03

http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3523176/Re-Kid-sister-friendly-rule-in-the-Lounge.aspx[^]

2-Jul-10 5:03

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Chris Maunder2-Jul-10 4:33

2-Jul-10 4:33

First, I agree that some of those posts were entirely inappropriate. However, as others have said I have put in place the mechanism to allow the community to self-police via the 'Vote to remove message' link. Having me (or a set of moderators) spend their time reading each post and subjectively deciding what's in and what's out will simply lead to complaints of elitism as well as deliberate attempts to sneak one in. It's a mugs game.

The vote-to-remove system itself is very, very tricky to balance because on one hand it can be fairly easily hijacked by those who have no life, and on the other it can be too hard to trigger (your experience) when it's needed most. It is weighted by member level, though, so if even 2 or 3 high level members hit it, the message is removed.

Back to those particular posts: if you truly see something horrible then never hesitate to contact me directly. It's a long weekend (very long!) here in Canada so I've been taking it easy after a bit of a marathon so haven't been as responsive as usual.

As to the Lounge itself it is, and will always be, kid safe. The Soap Box is there for those who want to pretend to be grown up and swap the questionable jokes.

cheers,
Chris Maunder

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Microsoft C++ MVP

Nemanja Trifunovic2-Jul-10 4:57

Nemanja Trifunovic

2-Jul-10 4:57

Chris Maunder wrote:
However, as others have said I have put in place the mechanism to allow the community to self-police via the 'Vote to remove message' link. Having me (or a set of moderators) spend their time reading each post and subjectively deciding what's in and what's out will simply lead to complaints of elitism as well as deliberate attempts to sneak one in. It's a mugs game.

Yep, and that's really my concern here. There are many CP members who publish great articles, and they are the reason I joind and stayed with CP. On the other hand, there is a relatively small group that pretty much only participates in the Lounge and fills it with immature discussions that are unfortunatelly too visible and can give the wrong impression to the outsiders about the purpose and spirit of CodeProject.

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R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 5:01

2-Jul-10 5:01

Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
can give the wrong impression to the outsiders about the purpose and spirit of CodeProject.

I think this, more than anything, is what I take offense to. What outsiders? Who are these people, exactly? Why would I care what they think? Why would anyone care what someone else thinks? I really object to being told what I can and can't do or read or say. I haven't seen any jokes there that I would be offended by and, if I did, I would either vote 1 and say something or ignore it. You need to get off your high horse.

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sasha winston2-Jul-10 5:31

sasha winston

2-Jul-10 5:31

digital man wrote:
I really object to being told what I can and can't do or read or say. I haven't seen any jokes there that I would be offended by and, if I did, I would either vote 1 and say something or ignore it. You need to get off your high horse.

Spoke like a true digital man. 5 from me.

Chris Maunder2-Jul-10 6:06

2-Jul-10 6:06

Hang on a sec: no one is saying what you can or can't say. The point is where you say it. I'm assuming you wouldn't tell an obscene joke to a nice old lady you met in a street, or swear like a trooper while having dinner with the parents of a potential girlfriend.

It's context and consideration. It's not about infringing on your rights.

cheers,
Chris Maunder

The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP

R. Giskard Reventlov2-Jul-10 6:30

2-Jul-10 6:30

Plainly, you've never been to dinner at my house or been around when I help old ladies across the street. Smile | :)

In any case it comes to the same thing: it's about what is considered offesive and what you can do about it. He just wants a broad brush stroke approach based on what he thinks may be offensive to a complete stranger that might happen upon the site whilst trying to pry into his life, whereas what we already have pretty much covers it.

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Pete O'Hanlon2-Jul-10 6:47

Pete O'Hanlon

2-Jul-10 6:47

Chris. Simmer down, you're in danger of losing your cool here:

Chris Maunder wrote:
those who want to pretend to be grown up and swap the questionable jokes.

Targeting perceived immaturity in others with an immature response yourself isn't exactly the best response. Subjectively I didn't think that the joke was not KSS; bad taste yes (but so is a lot of humour). Obviously my sense of humour is different to yours, but I thought that one of the best things about CP was its broad and relatively tolerant nature. If you think my response here is out of line, then feel free to downvote me, but I will not give up my rights to have a broad sense of humour.

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Chris Maunder3-Jul-10 15:49

3-Jul-10 15:49

Pete, I'm definitely not trying to infringe your rights to have a terrible sense of humour. My father, God bless 'im, has a sense of humour that would curdle milk, but I still love him and respect him dearly.

My only point was: not the lounge. That's all. It was not a comment on maturity, and if my asking you to respect pretty much the only forum on the site where I ask members to wear pants and otherwise not be offensive was taken as immature then I don't know what to say. However, if we ever cross paths I will buy you a pint and you can tell me why I'm wrong.

cheers,
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The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP