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Re: The first thing is... George17-Nov-02 23:56 George 17-Nov-02 23:56  Michael P Butler wrote: In what way? I've never really had a problem with it, but perhaps my DOS background has influenced the way I work. The list would be a long one actually, but let me just present few simple issues: 1. Try to create folder or file starting with a dot using explorer. like .cvsignore for example. 2. Try to see the contents of your "...\WINNT\Downloaded Program Files" folder. Now compare what you see with the real contents using the command line. Chances are that you have a lot of files that Explorer doesn't show. 3. Try to move some folder in which one of the files is held locked by some application (like VC++ project that is open in the IDE and thus holding the .ncb file). While moving it will report error and leave you with the half-moved folder instead of reporting it locked and give you the change to unlock the file or something. Anyhow, I am not saying that there are problems with Explorer, it's simply that development often requires to have more control other files than the average user. <center> /* I C++, therefore I am... */ </center> Re: The first thing is... Nitron18-Nov-02 3:32 Nitron 18-Nov-02 3:32  George wrote: 3. Try to move some folder in which one of the files is held locked by some application (like VC++ project that is open in the IDE and thus holding the .ncb file). While moving it will report error and leave you with the half-moved folder instead of reporting it locked and give you the change to unlock the file or something. I HATE THAT (especially when you are replacing the destination folder, then you have to check the dates to see which ones got moved...) - Nitron "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb Re: The first thing is... Kannan Kalyanaraman21-Nov-02 18:59 Kannan Kalyanaraman 21-Nov-02 18:59  I think this is a basic by-design issue, I read somewhere that MS has plans to support a finer level of control over how things happen, something like an ignore error option while moving files. This will happen in the next major upgrade of OS. Cheers Kannan Re: The first thing is... Marc Clifton19-Nov-02 5:39 Marc Clifton 19-Nov-02 5:39  And don't forget that great synchronize directories feature! I use it all the time to sync between my desktop and my laptop. Microsoft's Briefcase is pathetic in that regard. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Re: The first thing is... Juergen Froehlich20-Nov-02 11:41 Juergen Froehlich 20-Nov-02 11:41  Windows Commander - now Total Commander - is _really_ cool!! The explorer is the app I hate most - it destroys every day time of many user juggling around until they have navigated to the right directory - copying, moving and other operations between source and destination directories are user unfriendly and _just_ bad . Beneath the already mentioned features I find useful - 2 key or 2 mouse click navigation to predefined directories - colorized filenames by filetyp!! I discovered today - multi-rename tool!! very flexible - file packing for multiple formats is a breeze - plugin extensibilty and currently masses of plugins for cool usages - flexible user definable button bar Yesterday in our company someone tried to copy 60GB with explorer ... a bad bug occured ... after progress reaches the end copying began again and loops ... and loops explorer timebandit greets you! Copying with Total Commander ... no problems .. as expected Re: The first thing is... Shaun Wilde19-Nov-02 21:50 Shaun Wilde 19-Nov-02 21:50  Sorry but I hate that app. I came across a lot of junior developers who thought it was the bees knees and yet it took them just as long to do what they wned with that app than I did with Explorer. If a file is locked - its locked for a reason and not some MS whim. Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku Re: The first thing is... User 988520-Nov-02 11:21 User 9885 20-Nov-02 11:21  Exactly, why would you want to move a locked file? It is obviously in use. Or is he referring to instances where apps crash and the lock never clears? Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers modified 29-Aug-18 21:01pm. Re: The first thing is... Philip Patrick20-Nov-02 22:41 Philip Patrick 20-Nov-02 22:41  Right, can't imagine myself working with Explorer Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer Re: The first thing is... Mustafa Demirhan21-Nov-02 8:54 Mustafa Demirhan 21-Nov-02 8:54  NOOOOOO, Windows Explorer is the best program ever I really mean it. It is very simple to use. I tried Windows Commander some time ago and it is too complicated or too much for daily use. All i do is delete some files, move them, cut them and paste them. What else do I need? Well, for packaging: I have Winzip. for FTP: I have FTPVoyager for Renaming (need it occasionally): I have a great free renamer - RenameIt. I never felt like I should integrate all of these into one utility. In fact, I am against that All I am trying to say is that Windows Explorer is very fast and with these other programs, I can do all I want much faster than that Windows Commander thing PS: Locked files - AGGGHHHH. Damnit. I also hate that. Especially in WinXP. In XP, it tries to do it for 4-5 seconds even if the file is locked. Thus it freezes explorer for 4-5 secs!!! Mustafa Demirhan http://www.macroangel.com Sonork ID 100.9935:zoltrix <nobr>They say I'm lazy but it takes all my time

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