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There's been more NSFW and borderline NSFW material into the lounge lately. My thought is that I should be able to safely click on and view any link that's posted on the lounge, without a second thought.
This is a global community, and the cultural differences may be acute. So, why argue if some material is not safe or not safe for work? If it's questionable, why can't people just use the soapbox?! For example, there was a thread yesterday on the lounge, which linked to pictures of giant wooden penises. I'm sure my boss won't be pleased if I sit and watch this from the office!
Here's a link to that thread: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3406687/Spring-comes-in-Japan-modified.aspx[^]
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I've moved this post. The Lounge should definitely be work (and kid) safe. Talk to posters (politely) to let them know, or let us know and we'll move stuff for mature audiences into the SoapBox.
Though that would mean I'd have to find a mature audience...  cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Given that there are cultural differences across the world it is hard to judge what is or isnt acceptable in any specific situation, but 99% of members would know what has the potential to be considered near the knuckle, or indeed way across the line, and the simple expediant of putting a NSFW or KSS Caution before the link should be suffice, we are all grown ups (ok nearly all of us), and if there is something that seems like it may be interesting, wait until you are at home, not in the office.
I would dislike censorship rules being applied, I think self policing is the best way.------------------------------------
I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Um forget about it Dave, the word has come down and the lounge is not a place to discuss anything that *might* be objectionable to *anyone* *anywhere* on the entire planet. I've yet to stand in a group of 3 people at a party and not see a topic come up sooner or later that was objectionable to one of them, how this new rule is going to work in practice is mystifying, should be interesting.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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Chris, I think you made a big mistake moving that post. It's one thing to deal with porn and explicit sexual or violent images that way but caving for something as innocuous as a fertility symbol in a fertility festival is going way too far over the line into unnecessary censorship. If a person is at a sensitive workplace they should not be clicking on *any* links posted in the lounge, nor should they really be reading the lounge at all since it's not beneficial to their employer in any way.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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The lounge is a place where every developer should feel comfortable reading while their boss, mother in law or kid sister is looking over their shoulder.
John C wrote: If a person is at a sensitive workplace they should not be clicking on *any* links posted in the lounge
I would like to provide an area people can view if they work in a sensitive workplace. I know that trying to keep conversations mature and above the belt is a strange thing to find on the internet, but I though it would be nice to at least try. The Soapbox is specifically for those who want to discuss things that fall outside this.
John C wrote: nor should they really be reading the lounge at all since it's not beneficial to their employer in any way.
That's not for me or anyone else to call - that's for the employee. I personally am more than happy for my staff to take occasional breaks and catch up with industry peers online.cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: I would like to provide an area people can view if they work in a sensitive workplace. I know that trying to keep conversations mature and above the belt is a strange thing to find on the internet, but I though it would be nice to at least try. The Soapbox is specifically for those who want to discuss things that fall outside this.
So, my understanding about the lounge as a forum was correct - which I could read if I work in a sensitive place, which I could read if my kid sister is peeking over my shoulder.
And most importantly, thank you very much for doing the right thing, and thank you for providing me a safe place (the lounge) for discussion, while the 'mature' ones can still get their stuff done at the SB.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Well it's your site to do with as you see fit and it's a bit refreshing to see the "iron fist" once in a while  , however judging by your response I can only assume you never actually looked at the page linked to, it's pretty innocent innocuous stuff.
This is just the sort of slippery slope that leads to images of the statue of David being banned etc etc.
I thought the voting system was in part implemented to police community standards.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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Here's a suggestion: publicly ask in the lounge that anyone who posts a link to anything that is undoubtedly safe to view at work or with children present be labelled as a safe link. And that everyone will assume from that point onwards anything no explicitly tagged with a safe link comment will be considered unsafe and shouldn't be opened.
That way you and everyone else that has these issues is covered and the rest of us can just click at will.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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So are we assuming here that most of the threads unsafe? 
Thought should be other way around... if not a safe link or so... mark it 'Careful/Unsafe' !
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Sandeep Mewara wrote: Thought should be other way around... if not a safe link or so... mark it 'Careful/Unsafe'
Nope, that's impossible to do. No one really knows what's unsafe in other cultures to other people.
Japanese fertility symbols of carved wooden penises in my opinion should not be unsafe to view for anyone on the planet of any age in any culture. Apparently some find it objectionable. That just goes to show that there is very little possibility of coming up with an accepted standard of what is not safe.
I heard many years ago that an image of a severed hand is highly objectionable in some cultures so a screen shot showing a windows hand cursor would be highly unsafe to some.
It's conceivable that we have a better chance of collectively judging what is so plain vanilla uninteresting as to be deemed potentially safe and tag it as such.
Far safer for you and others to simply ignore any link if it's not explicitly marked as safe isn't it?
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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John C wrote: Japanese fertility symbols of carved wooden penises in my opinion should not be unsafe to view for anyone on the planet of any age in any culture.
Speak on your behalf, and on behalf of your culture. I know it's just an opinion you have, but that ain't just right (I have an opinion too).
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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That's what the magic words "in my opinion" mean in my original post. Clearly you're making my case for me that there is just no accounting at all for what is not safe, best to assume everything is not safe and for people that care they can take the time to flag stuff as explicitly safe.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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I think the fact that Chris has moved this to the SB proves my point that it can be considered unsafe for work (which I said is "questionable"). It may depend on where and how you work, and may depend on your culture though.
John C wrote: best to assume everything is not safe and for people that care they can take the time to flag stuff as explicitly safe.
Instead of that, people can use common sense and post what's safe for work. If you're looking for someone to argue with you on "what's safe for work", I've better things to do.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: I'm sure my boss won't be pleased if I sit and watch this from the office
I would have a hard time convincing him this is a development resource portal and that I was posting a techincal query.
 Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest.
Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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Exactly my sentiments!
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I guess my earlier reply should have included that fact that the lounge is not a programming / work related forum so in theory your boss would not be pleased with you even reading that forum.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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No, in practice he views the lounge too. So, you're wrong again.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: So, you're wrong again.
Again? Care to elaborate where I was wrong before?
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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You were wrong in assuming that it's fine to post NSFW links there and asking me not to read the lounge. Chris has worded it much better in his reply to you, so I'm done with this here.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: t it's fine to post NSFW links
You've completely misrepresented everything I've said in this thread and I suspect we'll never get to the bottom of it because you are going away in what appears to be some misguided self righteous huff, but if I've somehow given the impression I'm trying to debate morality you are completely mistaken because as I've said repeatedly there's simply no way for any user here to know what is or isn't safe for work for every other user here.
A logical conclusion of this is that you must assume that any link is nsfw if you work in such a workplace that you could get in trouble for viewing something and or to take Chris' original advice to you which was to simply report in the thread that the link is not safe for your workplace and may be for others and ask the original poster to label it as such.
Or do you intend that the people who run this site should spend a significant amount of time responding to complaints from a global audience about what each individual guesses may be potentially objectionable to their boss?
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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John C wrote: what appears to be some misguided self righteous huff
We could agree on the fact that we think each other are into some misguided, self righteous huff.
John C wrote: there's simply no way for any user here to know what is or isn't safe for work for every other user here.
It's not about individual guesses, it's common sense. I cannot think of workplaces where people would want to sit and watch giant wooden penises. But because you say, I'd assume it's fine at your workplace. If it were fine at your workplace too, it may still at least be "questionable", because it's about pictures of GIANT PENIS for Chri'sake...
John C wrote: Or do you intend that the people who run this site should spend a significant amount of time responding to complaints
I don't intend 'significant' amount of time to be spent by the staff nannying this. If it were the case that someone finds something offensive with almost everything, there would be such threads floating around here all the time. I'm ONLY complaining about a post, that may potentially not be work-safe everywhere.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: it's common sense. I cannot think of workplaces where people would want to sit and watch giant wooden penises. But because you say, I'd assume it's fine at your workplace.
Honestly from a north american perspective here I can't imagine a Nunnery where that would be anything other than a giggle at worst. It's a legitimate festival of fertility. If I post a picture of the statue of David in relation to a discussion about it in the lounge will you be up in arms because his penis is visible?
Clearly standards are different for every person on earth which is why there is a broad category of stuff that is pretty commonly accepted as not safe for work like pornography and violent images, audio with loud profanity on it. The rest varies greatly by culture and it's simply impossible to police.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: res of GIANT PENIS for Chri'sake...
Ironically the "Chri'sake part of your statement would be considered extremely objectionable and not safe for work by a great many people, more I suspect than would be offended by a Japanese fertility festival. It just goes to show that beyond a certain point it's impossible to set any kind of ground rules and the kid sister rule never made any sense anyway for just this reason.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: I'm ONLY complaining about a post, that may potentially not be work-safe everywhere.
And the poster flagged it as *exactly* that potentially not safe for work. Once you read that why did you simply not ignore it and move on?
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better.
- Poul Anderson
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John C wrote: If I post a picture of the statue of David in relation to a discussion about it in the lounge will you be up in arms because his penis is visible?
Are you doing this for the sake of argument? Anyways, the answer is: "common sense".
John C wrote: And the poster flagged it as *exactly* that potentially not safe for work. Once you read that why did you simply not ignore it and move on?
That was my point. When he knew that it's objectionable, and potentially not safe for work, he need not have posted it in the lounge! Thank you.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: so I'm done with this here.
and yet you're still arguing with him.  3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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