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Chris Maunder wrote: Do you have "Do not interpret HTML tags" checked? (just under the main Text entry box)
Hi Chris,
Yes ... duhhhhh ... unchecking that took care of it, as well as restoring the blockquotes.
I take note of the fact this is the second time recently that I observed a change in CP behavior, and assumed that either it was by "design" by CP, or must be a mistake in my settings external to CP : another indicator of an ingrained attitude that "CP could do no wrong."
I will try to "root out" this assumption, and replace it with the attitude : "I must be doing something wrong." 
thanks, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
modified on Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:01 PM
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Hi CP Friends,
I would consider it very inauspicious to have my #1000th. post on CP (I'm at #999 now) be a flame, so I'd like to ask your advice on how to handle a certain behavior on the Lounge.
Twice now a certain person on the Lounge has responded to certain original posts (not by me, but which I have responded on) by starting his response with
"Bill Woodruff wrote"
... posts from the original post, not by BW, here
The first time he did this, I responded with a polite note just mentioning that he had mis-quoted me : I didn't "take him to task" in any way.
So, now, the second time this has happened, I've asked him directly asking him to stop this, and today received this reply :
"Actually I (and you, and the OP) quoted Strunk, with citation, so it's not a misquote, at all.
Is there a reason why you think that the misleading quoting "mechanism" you appear to have adopted is better than the one provided by CP?
Just curious, 'cause it ain't.
This is pretty amazing to me; since it seems to imply the person in question is actually deliberately attributing to me words that are not mine : I can't imagine any possible motivation for doing this ! To my knowledge I've never commented negatively on anything said commentor said.
Further, the person, implies I am not using CP's standard quote mechanism, when, in fact I am; the only variation is that I am inserting a carriage return, and putting the quote in italics which, in my opinion, makes it more apparent that the quote is a quote (coming from a long background of technical editing, having any quote without quotation marks doesn't quite seem enough to me).
Okay, so I "voted to remove" the comments by said unrepentant mis-quoter.
So, just curious to ask you : would you "flame back," or just "report as abuse" and "sit back" as I have done ? Or what ?
thanks, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Why not just use the "Quote Selected Text" button, as it automatically attributes to the author of the message you are replying to. If someone does misquote you all you can do is respond directly refuting the quote, assuming his message is incorrect.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Why not just use the "Quote Selected Text" button, as it automatically attributes to the author of the message you are replying to. If someone does misquote you all you can do is respond directly refuting the quote, assuming his message is incorrect.
Richard,
As I said : in the first instance of this person mis-quoting me, I did just post a polite message stating that he mis-quoted me; anyone can make a mistake like that; it's no big deal.
But, if someone starts mis-quoting you repeatedly, and, when asked not to, replies with "baiting," and appears to be mis-quoting you deliberately : that's more than a minor thing : it's called "lying," and it's also an insult to the original poster (whose words are mis-attributed to another), to the person incorrectly cited as the author of the words, and, imho to the CodeProject community itself.
By the way, I do use the "quote selected text" button, and only usually add to that, because of my thirty-year plus experience in technical editing, a slight emphasis using one carriage return and italics (well, I attempt the italics). That's a whole different ball of wax than "mis-quoting."
Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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BillWoodruff wrote: By the way, I do use the "quote selected text" button
Strange how it shows up in the same font as all the rest of your message. I wonder if this has anything to do with your italics problem.
As to the 'baiting' issue, I think that's just something you (may) have to put up with in the Lounge, especially from Trolls.
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Click "Vote to Remove Message". If the person continues to do this then report him or her.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I think the best response to being "baited" is no response at all. Though it is tough to do just that at times.
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
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Chris Meech wrote: I think the best response to being "baited" is no response at all. Though it is tough to do just that at times.
Hi Chris,
I agree with you on that. My usual "psychic insulation" is quite good.
But, I will confront someone I think is "lying." And, to me, deliberately mis-quoting another person's words is worth taking on.
By the way, I have lived, for many years now, in a culture (Theravadan Buddhist Thailand) where non-confrontation (in "public"), to avoid "losing face," or "breaking" someone else's "face," is one of the paramountly modal norms and highest cultural values. "Etiquette" in speech and manners, gestures, and behavior, is highly refined here (in northern Thailand, particularly).
Of course that's on the "surface" : the moment Thais get behind the wheel of a car, or a motorcycle, they transform into drivers as aggressive as those of New York City and Delhi. And homicide, and domestic violence rates, here, are as high as those of "western" countries. The modal crime here is one of sexual revenge, often by women on men for their philandering.
Of course some of what appears to be the "aggressive" and "reckless" driving is a result of the fact they are just not paying attention to the road, or anyone else on it. And then there's the astounding number of drunk drivers helping the traffic along to become a slaughterhouse.
A paradox : Thai society contains not only people who have a "great mastery" of paying attention (usually the "fringe" elements in Buddhism here, the "forest" monks, not the "city" monks), but a general populace who are constantly distracted, and have ver low attention spans ?
best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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BillWoodruff wrote: Further, the person, implies I am not using CP's standard quote mechanism, when, in fact I am; the only variation is that I am inserting a carriage return, and putting the quote in italics which, in my opinion, makes it more apparent that the quote is a quote (coming from a long background of technical editing, having any quote without quotation marks doesn't quite seem enough to me).
CP's standard quote mechanism is <blockquote>, your messages[^] are appearing with the quote only in italics and not block quoted. Is this by design on your part because the result is that what you're quoting isn't marked off in the standard fashion and does, without more detailed inspection, appear to be material that you wrote.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Bill,
It's in part your own doing. When you remove the block-quote, you lose the style CP has for quotes, and to someone replying to your post it's not immediately obvious that some of the text in your message is a quote. I had to read your post twice to realize that the text you had was a quote from Quartz' original post. I don't blame the guy for thinking those words were from you.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: It's in part your own doing.
Hi Nish,
I agree with you; clearly my having the "Do not interpret HTML tags" checkbox checked resulted in a non-standard appearance to my quoting. That was an accident; it's funny I don't have any memory of checking that checkbox.
However, in my opinion, someone who took offense to my doing this should have reported me to the site here in this forum, or voted to remove my messages by reporting them as "abuse."
A CP member who uses a mistake on another's part as an excuse to take "vigilante" action by deliberately mis-quoting not only the original poster, but the commenter, is, in my humble opinion, someone with a real problem, and someone who does not respect CP.
I feel the same way about certain CP members (among the most "prolific" on the Lounge) who continually post their own technical questions in the Lounge which clearly belong in specific forums here that are "sitting there waiting," and who, for some reasons, are not flamed for doing so. While others are grilled down to "char."
I respect CP. And I apolgize for any confusion my simple mistake caused.
thanks, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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The reputation graph size is not the same for all users, atleast not on my system. A majority of the graphs are scaling to the graph window, but a few (like mine) do not scale up.
| There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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Try hitting Ctrl+F5.
You are probably seeing caching issues.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: caching issues
I cleaned up the IE cache and tried again, no luck. This problem seems to be occuring on IE 8.
The graph works fine on other browsers.
Are any other users experiencing this?
| There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
modified on Thursday, January 7, 2010 12:05 AM
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Abhinav S wrote: Are any other users experiencing this?
Yes. Same happens for me, also using IE8.
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_Damian S_ wrote: Yes. Same happens for me, also using IE8.
Strange - when I view your graph in IE8 I can view it perfectly.
Is there a bug in the graph wrt to IE8? I am very certain I've cleared my cache.
I went to tools > preferences > delete - unchecked the first box (preserve favourite website data), checked all the others and ran delete (and I did Ctrl + F5 separately).
| There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
modified on Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:27 AM
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Yes, I do (IExplorer 7 here)
BTW... Ctrl + F5 didn't work for me.
EDIT: It is now working good for me.
Regards.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Its still not working for me  .
Tried IE8's compatibility mode and eveything.
| There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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Clear your browser cache and try again
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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A link to the article along with the source code, in the zip file, would be interesting when seeing the code on a later date.
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Nick Butler wrote: Is this acceptable?
I don't know. However the first one tells me: "You have the ability to edit this tip/trick"
and the others say "You have the ability to edit or delete this tip/trick"
How would they know that?
Lucky them, I don't feel the urge to edit anything that isn't mine to begin with...
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Yeah, it seems strange that people are basically creating Tips/Tricks that say "go check out this other URL". If they aren't adding any substance, it seems pretty useless to me. People could just get that information by googling. Then again, maybe CP would like to have collections of links... don't know the official position on such posts. Like you, I would like to know.
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Nick Butler wrote: Is this acceptable
Not really.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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