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We have a replacement all ready, got it all wired up, and then found in tests it was awful. Absolutely unusable.
I've not seen the editor problem you mentioned, and I'm starting to think going back to our previous method (text with HTML) might be the simpleast.
What are your thoughts on markdown?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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As long as it's not complex (I'm not a web dev) I'm ok with it.
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And ofc now that I tried taking notes I couldn't reproduce the issue either...
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Markdown? Markdown?!!? I've been using markdown on unfuddle, and it's an incredibly irritating POS. Even simple things are hard to do, and its supposed simplicity gives you nothing in return. Stick to text + html, if you don't want to toss your cookies.
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Yes markdown. I haven't used Unfuddle but my experience with DokuWiki's markdown has been very good. I find it much simpler to manage than html.
What if we provided an option between markdown or html? My feeling is many users would welcome the simplicity of markdown.
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My feeling is actually that what we currently use for the forums is about 95% of what we need. The only thing I'd like to make better would be the ability to add code (PRE tags are a PITA) and simple things like headings and lists.
I'm actually on Hans' side on this, kinda. I'm not a huge fan of markdown per se but it makes so many things so much easier, as long as the markdown itself is simple.
However, I'm loathe to create a hybrid markdown because that's just dumb. If we offer markdown it should be the full thing.
So maybe we default to what we currently use in the forums, and offer WYSIWYG / Markdown as persisted options for the editor.
(Or just completely ditch that horrid little WYSIWYG thing altogether)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: (Or just completely ditch that horrid little WYSIWYG thing altogether)
O please ditch it please please please 
I much prefer the one in the forums. Never had trouble with it.
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That latter problem sounds like what I experienced, described below.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
Current Weight: 104.5 KG 10/10/2009
Target Weight : 89 KG
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I know that this has probably been discussed or mentioned, and if it hasn't I'm happy to be the first to bring it up. If not, then maybe a second review is needed.
Is it possible, for forum posts if someone votes 1-2 / flags it for removal to force the user to leave feedback so that the poster can see why he was given a 1 or 2?
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Maybe a combobox with items like...
Bad Taste
Inappropriate
Wrong Forum
Badly Off Topic
You are CSS or Ilion in a Lounge Situation
Advertising
Maybe a 5 Combobox with...
Spot On
Good Point
Humour
I stongly agree with your stance and would like to take out a subscription to your magazine
Hot Bitching!
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In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. Stephen J Gould
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Just something where a user can see the reason for negative feedback and why it was left, but yeah
Dalek Dave wrote: You are CSS or Ilion in a Lounge Situation
works too.
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I agree this would be a good idea, and it would have the double benefit of preventing trolls skipping about and dumping 1-votes, and also avoid people being wrongly accused of doing it.
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I don't understand, though, how we can present comments on comments. Each message someone posted could potentially have half a dozen child comments that are purely commenting on the voting on the comment.
Is this truly valuable? In what way?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Cheers for the response Chris, I didn't fully elaborate.
I wouldn't want the feedback left on the forums but more like a message the poster can see through his profile, perhaps when viewing his previous posts.
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I understand the motivation but I'm not sure it would be immediate enough feedback, nor am I confident it would be understood or used by enough members to make it worthwhile.
We also want to migrate the question and answer system over to our Quick Answers system. The forums would then mainly be for general discussions, and I think that in general discussions, if someone is willing to comment on why they dislike something, they would leave a comment directly. If someone just votes in disagreement then I don't feel that asking them to make a comment on a question that doesn't appear directly underneath the question they are commenting on makes sense.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Each message someone posted could potentially have half a dozen child comments that are purely commenting on the voting on the comment.
Oops, didn't think of that. Can I have some of what you're drinking at PDC? 
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: Can I have some of what you're drinking at PDC?
Here you go[^] (well, not officially at PDC.)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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A hipflask is traditional; although the more modern option would be a camelback. 
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Just read the editing rules. For now all the Silver and above members can edit the posts. That IMHO can make things worse. Anyone can become a Silver member with time. Hence someone who had joined CP long back and does not have a good track record here, can try to have some fun using this feature. Same would happen if someone gives a reply like:
1. Why should we do your work? Or
2. What have you tried? etc.
I would recommend to give these rights only to a bunch of people who have shown responsibility and are trustworthy for you. I understand choosing a bunch would be tough given the number of members out here. You can filter out records based on membership status and then employ a small group who can then filter the result further. The small group can have people who are a part of CP from it's initial days and have contributed a lot.
50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!
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I am a Gold Member, which comes with rights and responsibilities, one of which is not to edit or judge an article on which I am not totally conversant.(ie VERY FEW!).
There should not be a barrier to knowledge or experience from adding to the pile, however I do see the advantages of restricting some rights until certain criteria have been reached.
That said, there are some individuals who should on no account be allowed to have that authority.
Naming no names but you all know the sort I am on about.
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Dalek Dave wrote: I am a Gold Member, which comes with rights and responsibilities
And there might be people who don't understand this.
50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!
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I fear you speak the truth.
I do not misuse that which I have been given, for it would be detrimental to the entire site/community.
Most people here are the same, unfortunately there are a few damned silly arses that do because they think it is fun.
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Dalek Dave wrote: I fear you speak the truth.
Thou shall not fear, Dave. That sounds cool. 
50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!
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Silver members can edit posts currently, but this will be changed soon so that members who have reputation as an author or question answerer (only) can edit. No longer will members get important rights purely by the passage of time.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Cool! That is good. Can you raise the bar from silver to gold for now? That will be better IMHO.
50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!
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