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I've recently come across a plethora of VB and C# articles that show up when attempting to filter for for C++. Further examination shows that I can't even select for filtering for C++. I select "C++ Filter" and Update List and the list box clears to "No Filter"
Of course this is made all the more confusing by having a drop list box AND a menu type bar, which is perfectly hideous design. Make your mind up and use one.
Finally C++/CLI should not show up under MFC/C++.
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Hi Joe,
Do those articles that come up in the search have a VB or C# attribute in the upper right hand corner?
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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Yes. (Which is how I noticed it.)
It wasn't search, but Clicking Articles|Desktop Development|Dialogs and Windows. C# was highlighted on the "menu bar". I selected to filter to C++. It didn't work. I selected MFC/C++ on the menu bar and that worked, but occasionally C# articles get left behind.
(I just tested it. This time it came up with MFC/C++ hightlighted and some C# and VB articles under "Caption Bars." It also came up with some C++/CLI articles which isn't technically correct, though it is ambiguous.)
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Hi Joe,
We try to keep on top of those attributes being where they shouldn't be. If you have an example I'd be happy to help fix it.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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It's not just the attributes, the filter feature doesn't work--you have duplicate functionality, poor design. I could go on.
For now, Click Desktop Development|Dialogs and Windows|MFC/C++. I scroll down and and the top article under caption bars is a C# article.
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Do you have an example case I can use? If I can replicate it I can make a proper entry on our bug tracker. Thanks for finding this!
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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First, I noticed that none of this works with FireFox 2.x. So I started IE8 and totally cleaned out histories and cookies.
I went to codeproject.com
I selected Desktop Development under Articles
I selected MFC/C++
I changed the filter to C# developer and selected "Update List"
A bunch of C# articles showed up.
The combo box changed to "Custom Filter" even though it wasn't
I clicked "Clear"
It said "No filter selected - all articles shown" (which isn't true.)
Clicking "Update List" reset the list
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Thanks Joe!
I've added it to our bug tracker.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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This has been revamped and cleaned up.
Better, or still sub-optimal?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It appears better, though the tag selection box flashes at the page and when you select the role C++ Developer, it doesn't select VC9.0 (and there is no VC10.0, which may be a good thing  )
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think it is not fair that some members qualify newcomer's articles with 1, when them haven't been authorized for publishing.
Votes of 1 are not easy to overpass for beginners that are trying to improve their article day by day.
This option (voting) should be blocked for a while.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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If a beginner is trying to improve their article day by day then they should not submit it until it is in a publishable state.
If they need help before that stage there is a Moderator system in place, all they have to do is ask for the assistance of one of the moderators.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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How can a beginner improve his/her article without the help of other members? They have to be published!
There is a reason for "Article moderation" warning to exist. Experienced members should guide newcomers to produce publishable articles instead of discouraging them with votes of 1.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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The reputation of the site depends on having good quality articles. You are a Gold member and therefore you get the opportunity to see some of the utter dross that gets submitted. Simply the template with, if we are lucky, 'Hello' added by the author, adverts, spam and others like that. Are you really suggesting that we automatically publish all submitted articles?
Nobody wants to discourage prospective authors, but they can see what is classed as a publishable article and yet some of them still submit nonsense, broken code, or plagiarised stuff. As I said before there is assistance for those that want it.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Henry Minute wrote: Are you really suggesting that we automatically publish all submitted articles?
I am not a native english speaker but I am sure that is not what I expressed before.
What I am suggesting is that, during the "moderation period", members shouldn't be allowed to vote for 1. Instead, they shall kindly provide suggestions to improve newcomer's articles.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: I am not a native english speaker but I am sure that is not what I expressed before.
In your second post you stated "They must be published!"
As Luc has stated below, 1 and 2 votes require a comment. Most good members post helpful comments and the article and thereafter the vote should improve. Non-helpful members would post unhelpful comments even without the vote. Having to make a comment actually stops some members from low voting.
I suspect that we are destined not to agree on this, but that is OK. The debate is a good thing.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Well, I see there are many assumptions based on balance and good intentions. I am trying to figure out if there is an automated way to control this.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: I am trying to figure out if there is an automated way to control this.
If you arrive at something feasible, I would be very interested to see it.
In the mean time I think that the current system is about as good as this type of system can be.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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when an article gets voted down by someone meaning well, he also adds a message explaining what in his mind the shortcomings are; so the author can act upon that information and improve his article. If all goes well, the critical person would then comment on the improved article and cast a new vote, which replaces his original vote. This process can happen with non-gold articles (they appear as "article needing approval" on the home page for gold people only; or with gold articles, which become public as soon as the author makes them public.
And there is the possibility for an author to request a mentor, someone who will comment privately and offer guidance. Not sure how it works in detail, it is pretty new.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: when an article gets voted down by someone meaning well, he also adds a message explaining what in his mind the shortcomings are; so the author can act upon that information and improve his article
Hmm, not sure if this really happens on the practice... Members can suggest without voting 1, at least during "moderation period". Or they can do, of course, if the "article" is not an article. Even in some cases I suggest authors to move very short publications to their blogs.
Luc Pattyn wrote: And there is the possibility for an author to request a mentor, someone who will comment privately and offer guidance. Not sure how it works in detail, it is pretty new.
I think this won't work for a very new member. Who to ask for?
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: Who to ask for?
The mentors are volunteers; they have a "mentor" icon on their personal page. As I said, I don't know any details.
Two more things:
1. this site has a community that works pretty well and means well on average; so when an article or message gets a vote that is considered too low, lots of people tend to compensate right away. And when the low vote is outrageous, the message gets "marked for removal"; when removed, the vote that went with it also disappears.
2. votes from silver/gold/platinum members have a higher weight, so low votes by new and less experienced members are easily corrected by more mature readers if need be.
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Sounds fair.
I am curious about this:
Luc Pattyn wrote: And when the low vote is outrageous, the message gets "marked for removal"; when removed, the vote that went with it also disappears
Vote and comments are not sent in the same transaction, but independently. How you can be sure you will remove votes along with unfair comments? Just professional curiosity 
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: How you can be sure...
That's for the web masters to answer. Maybe they keep track of all the votes (value and voter); or they try and undo a vote corresponding to the message subject line. Don't really know. I do know they constantly try to make it as fair as reasonably possible.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: non-gold articles (they appear as "article needing approval" on the home page for gold people only; or with gold articles, which become public as soon as the author makes them public.
Is this so?
So that means a person with Gold status can publish a article without having to be approved?
Meaning if I where to write an article (in a couple months after I'm gold) that is my first article it become's public without having to be approved?
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Yes (disclaimer: subject to confirmation by CP staff ).
DaveBTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)
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