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I've answered No, but only because I've yet to see anything (not that I go looking) regarding SharePoint that has interested me.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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We are only using sharepoint for some of our sites because I wasn't in the decision group who chose to use it. They decided we were going to use it and now we (developers) have to work with that piece of crap.
I had more bugs and issues with installation/maintanence while using Sharepoint than the sum of all other issues in my entire life. I wish I never had to see Sharepoint again.
And try getting support for that. Good luck.
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for very personal reason i don't like sharepoint portal layout.. or i am not able to fully reconized the power and flexibility provided by the Sharepoint portal.
I think MS marketing team should work hard to provide enough document or walkthrough to enduser to understand it properly.
It should not be company initiative to install it on local network... it should be MS responsibility to educate there user about Sharepoint.
Thats personal thought--
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixture
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I agree with you, I just want to add something else:
It should be MS resposability to provide prompt support for bad behavior of their product.
I ran to a problem (BUG) in Sharepoint Report Center and I need to pay in order to get support.
That's outrageous because my company bought a product that should be functioning 100% and I was refused free support (despite buying Software Assurance) for a feature that should be working from the very beginning.
It's the same as buying a brand new car and need to pay the manufacturer to look why the ignition won't work.
Very lousy customer support I'd say. If I had a choice, I'd never buy MS products again.
Fábio
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I don't know if this is just us or Sharepoint in general, but our internal Sharepoint pages look and act horrendously in FF. Then I tried them in IE, and they worked... well, I wouldn't say "nicely" but better than FF.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say, that this is the case. 
--Mike--
Does this cloth smell like chloroform to you?
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Sharepoint works fine in FF using the IE Tab plugin. Its still Internet Explorer, but at least its hosted inside firefox. IE Tab is great for stupid sites that *require* IE.
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SharePoint should work nicely with IE than FF. What we'll expect? Its Microsoft.
On Error Jump Off the Building
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mastereuo wrote: SharePoint should work nicely with IE than FF. What we'll expect? Its Microsoft.
off couse you always promote your product(s)...! thats why all of MS product integrate with each other almost seemlessly...
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixture
cheers,
Alok Gupta
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In the next version of MS Office, SharePoint Workspace (former Groove) is going to be a rich client for SharePoint[^] so that may help you use IE less.
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The only reason why we have SharePoint here is because it is required to use BizTalk. Since I work with a company that creates healthcare software, we have to have BizTalk with HL7.
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For those of you not using Sharepoint, or evaluating Sharepoint, what are you using.
Our organization is using Livelink 9.7.1. We have purchased several of the modules, such as COP, etc. and are currently looking to purchase the WebReports module.
We have in the past, evaluated Sharepoint but not pursued it because of the sunk investment in Livelink.
Overall, our experience is a mixed bag at best. Some observations:
The UI isn't intuitive. The UI breaks the Windows pattern, like it or not we've all been trained to do things like right click for pop-up menus and such. Livelink is clunky because it breaks this pattern, you have to click a small down arrow at the end of an item to get a pop-up, did I mention it is small. Things are in non-inuitive places. The developers who went to training said that one of the emphasis is that Livelink is not Windows, great! but, we were used to the UI.
It is not fast on our network. Part of this may be the network but, part of it is also the software. Click on the down-arrow mentioned above and you have to wait for the response. The Livelink adds extra useless steps for some reason. To say, delete a file: click on the little down arrow, much of the time after right clicking by mistake, select delete, wait for the response to confirm the delete, accept the delete, wait for the window that says OK!, click on the OK! (no other option, just OK!), wait for the window that says file deleted. The useless OK window is bad enough, waiting for it when the network slows down makes it worse.
Death by module, Information Management functionality requires purchasing additional modules, oh yes each year it adds to the software support bill which has been growing by %10 per year.
Customer Support, we have a number of open tickets with OpenText, I am not aware of any being resolved. A number of the controls do not run on our network.
Overall, I wouldn't recommend Livelink. I would recommend that each organization has to do their own evaluation, including livelink, it may work for some.
I am interested to hear alternatives and experience with alternatives.
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Having given the free version (3 users only) of Projectplace a trial, we have just moved from Sharepoint (which few of us liked) to Projectplace. We are using it as a project repository for documents. designs, etc.
It's not perfect, but it's a great improvement.
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Hy
I'm working more than 5 years as Sysadmin in an heterogeneous environment. My primary focus is on MS-Products (WinServer, Exchange, ISA, Sharepoint, SystemCenter....) but i've also an big private interest for the OpenSource-World. I'm working a lot with Apache, Postfix, Nagios, Cacti, RH Cluster Suite and stuff like that.
Of course, a lot of MS-Products have bugs when they are released. And not every product works as well as expected. And i can understand everyone that he/she is frustrated about the (sometimes) too fast release cycles or that products are discontinued. But of course, that's technology and innovation. And i don't want to think about a world without MS (of course, i also don't want to think about a world without Apple/Unix/Linux and the OpenSource-Community). MS-Products aren't so bad. Every IT-Pro should think about other software giants like Computer Associates, IBM or HP (and this are just the 3 which came in my mind first). They all have products which are much more buggy and anything from Microsoft.
But back to the poll: I use Sharepoint since the first version (Sharepoint 2001). And it's amazing how this products envolved in the past years. Specially with MOSS2007 Microsoft has released a very powerful and faszinating product. Of course, it's also very complex. Our users needed about 1 1/2 year after some of them realized what is possible with it. And so do i.
So, in my opinion there is currently no other product on the market which this mass on features and possibilities and this flexibility (just thinking about the Business Data Catalog, MySite-Features, Enterprise Search, Customizing of the Design, Workflows, Forms, .....)
I also can't understand the 'speed problem'. We have 400 Users (peak times 200 concurrent) on one frontend, one search/index and one database server and the speed of the page loads was still incredible.
Furthermore Sharepoint will be the future  PerformancePoint will be integrated with Sharepoint, Reporting Service-Integration still exist and so you'll get an 'all in one portal solution' for all needs.
Just wan't to clarify that i don't look through pink glassed to Microsoft. I also see their problems and faults with some products (including Vista), but with amount of products they have i think it's amazing that the still can deliver such an quality. Just thinking about some OpenSource products which are quite more buggy.
So, hope that somebody understand my opinion
(PS: I'm not a native english speaker(and so write), so i'm sorry for all grammar or typo faults)
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Great description, we do use MOSS, too.
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sperrgebiet wrote: Every IT-Pro should think about other software giants like Computer Associates, IBM or HP (and this are just the 3 which came in my mind first). They all have products which are much more buggy and anything from Microsoft.
Like Lotus Notes you mean ?? Sharepoint is OK, I don't find anything wrong with it.
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In my opinion the biggest problem with Notes is that IBM never say's something clear about the future of the product. The last presentation i say was about the Notes-Future in Java and OpenSource. It's good to know that the future of Sharepoint is saved (at least for the next version).
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My company unfortunately uses it, honestly I have never seen such a train-wreck of a product, fortunately I've not had to spend waste my time on it yet.
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RavensCry wrote: fortunately I've not had to spend waste my time on it yet.
Ok, just to be fair here... If you haven't used it then how do you know it sucks?
And no, I didn't vote you down.
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Well firstly as an end user (of which I am) it's lousy, although I will concede that maybe its the way its been implemented, secondly I have to sit in amongst the devs working with it and unlike studio which has the occasional blasphemy thrown at it, it's fairly constant all day long.
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I've been using Microsoft, Unix and Linux for years. Everytime I INVEST time and energy into a Microsoft Product, they discontinue it just as I'm mastering it. Microsoft has repeatedly "discontinued" every technology I've really liked and used and made awesome stuff with.
I'm not letting that happen again. Code I wrote 10 years ago on Unix still runs on Unix and Linux today. Code I wrote two years ago is already "outdated" in Microsoft Circles...
.Net, Sharepoint MSCRM, Vista (already outdated LOL) ... No thank you, I'm trying harder than ever before to migrate all my systems off windows entirely - and this goes for customers' systems too. the cool thing is more and more clients are in the same mindset - even long time window's shops - switching up. It's a shame too really, I mean Microsoft's ODBC, VB6, .Net v1 all were decent... now there are so many versions of .net, silverlight on top of that, well.. their technology focus has gone from making improvements to what new thing can get we get suckers to invest in... The Microsoft ODBC technologies that have worked for years don't even work anymore on the new systems... you need to .Net everything and write ALL NEW code... it's extremely lame... that's why its so hard to master any technology... Microsoft has created a "technology fad" approach to innovation... result: It's not innovative.
So.. Sharepoint? Share this! 
See ya.
--Jason
Know way to many languages... master of none!
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I'm signing this with my blood...
I am designing all my development so that it is Microsoft-agnostic. And the more years I am doing that, the more I am happy with that decision. And I am planning to slowly move out from ANY MS technology.
Because exactly as Jason said. Any technology from Microsoft that was really funny to use was discontinued somehow or replaced by something else as MS changed their focus.
Use carefully what Microsoft gives you and think twice... no, ten-times, before you adopt a technology from them.
Happy coding.
--Tomas
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tvavrda wrote: Use carefully what Microsoft gives you and think twice... no, ten-times, before you adopt a technology from them.
No doubt about that dude , 100 % AGREED !
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I understand your concern.. but there is reason.. MS provide your backward compatibility too...
The organization i am working for have software written in VB 4 to Dot 2.0. still everything is working fine.
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixture
cheers,
Alok Gupta
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Yes, and you have chosen a good technology. But for example there was a thing called "Information Bridge Framework" and many other tools/technologies comming out from Microsoft which were greatly marketed and did not go over version 1.5 at the end.
And as for the compatibility, we have developed an application in .NET 1.1 and because of bugs in that framework we had to work-around, the application was not able to run under .NET 2.0.
I don't say you should not take anything from Microsoft, all other providers have problems, too. It's just that especially Microsoft is very good in releasing too much software and suddenly being able to stop support. Just because of business/marketing reasons.
Another example I know is Intersystems (product Caché) which I was told is fully supporting every single historical version they have released. I suppose you must pay for this, but it is the nature of the company. Microsoft's nature is to release, realize how it does not fit and dispose the product. VB6 was also disposed even though it was really good product for what it was and with a large consumer base.
So for me, the problem is not the backwards compatibility what is the problem, but the forsight and architecture. MS is so big that every product goes its own way. There is no single person guiding the product base. So sometimes you find products that compete. And of course one of them will be canceled. That's why you have to take care on what technology you take from MS - you never know what they will take back.
--Tomas
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