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Chris Maunder wrote: let's keep our fingers crossed
Not sure how long you can do that.
The good thing is I am now capable of sending myself an e-mail reply. I wouldn't mind you providing some insight in what went wrong before... always eager to learn.
Thanks.
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I just experienced a similar thing. I edited one of my posts and all I can see is a lounge without any messages. I was on page 9 and certainly it was not the last page. I could see only the 1st page with all the messages. None of the later pages were showing messages.
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How many messages per page do you have set?
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Chris Maunder
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Microsoft C++ MVP
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25...I have the screen shot if that is of any help. I could not find where to put that though
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No need - I just experienced the issue myself and have narrowed it down a little.
Thanks!
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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The homepage right now contains an article-needing-approval[^] dated 12-MAR, while it still is 11-MAR overhere for the next 15 minutes. Wasn't the idea to always show datetime local to the viewer?
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what's your timezone? Are you in or out of daylight savings? (You can set this in your profile)
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Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I'm in Antwerp, Belgium, that's GMT+1
My CP settings currently are GMT+1 and "Are you currently in Daylight Saving Time?" unchecked.
Don't know how to interpret that, I would hope it works automatically, Windows knows we haven't switched to "summer time" yet. Are you saying I should change the setting twice a year?
ADDED: message changed at 1:02 local time to watch how it gets timestamped.
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modified on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:02 PM
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Windows knows on your machine, but I can't ask your machine to tell my servers whether you're in daylight savings.
There are databases that kinda sorta vaguely give me an idea based on your IP, but they are never up to date. So I have to just resort to the old fashioned way of actually asking you.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Hi Chris,
I now checked the daylight savings box (it does not look right, Daylight Savings Time is summer time isn't it, we are still in winter time, will switch end of March).
I logged off from CP, rebooted, logged on, hit CTRL/F5  no change.
It is now 0:55 here, first article-needing-approval still says 12-MAR, same as 1 hour ago.
I can live with it though.
FWIW: am running Vista, FF3, your browser check gives:
Gecko True
IE False
Opera False
WebKit False
Browser MOZILLA
Type Gecko1.9.0.7
Standard True
Display Mode Normal
User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.7) Gecko/2009021910 Firefox/3.0.7 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Version 1.9
Major Version 1
Minor Version 0.9
Web 2.0 Enabled True
Mobile Device False
Cookies OK? True
Server Web16
Country Belgium
PS: trying with messages to see how it works.
young messages get displayed relative to now (1 min ago, ...)
after 5 minutes message modifications result in a timestamp (see above message), unfortunately it is using Toronto time (as in modified on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:02 PM) for a change I applied Thursday morning at 1:02
I could call that a bug an inconsistency feature.
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I was in the process of posting a new thread in the NHibernate forums, and noticed that when you create a new thread, the Message Body is pre-filled in with a list of "Where you should go get help first, before posting a new thread" type of remarks.
I thought that was rather genius, and considered that perhaps you could do something similar for lounge posts. When a new lounge post is created, the message body would start off with the text:
DO NOT POST PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS IN THE LOUNGE!
You can go here, or here or here ....blaa blaa blaa
The person would have to actually select and delete that text out of the message, in order to start with a clean post.
Just a thought.
[edit]
Take this a step further, since it's typically newbies posting programming questions in the lounge, and only pre-populate the message body if the user is a bronze member (or whatever they are these days).
-or-
if the subject contains the word PLZ ...
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Before you added your addenda I was going to say "...but then you know what all the messags in the forums will start with..." 
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: .but then you know what all the messages in the forums will start with...
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Chris - the voting for the article "A beginner’s guide for consuming a WCF service in JavaScript using ASP.NET AJAX" in the C# articles looks highly suspicious. I can't believe that so many people would vote for this so quickly over Sacha's articles. I know you can track things via IP address - can you check the voting on this?
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If someone at a large company posts an article and everyone in their company votes for it, is that bad? (eg someone at IBM or Wal-mart) or is it legitimate support by ones co-workers?
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Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I have to say, that I do actually get a few votes from people at work. But you know they benefit from my artcicles, so I think that is ok for them to vote. If they are actually work collegues.
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- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
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I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
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If everybody in a company votes for it, it's fine - if it's shill accounts set up then that's not fine.
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If they've read/used the material in the article and are casting legitimate votes yes. If they're just doing a mass shill vote and don't know anything about the article's context no. Unfortunately I've no good idea how to tell those two cases apart. Shill voting would exhibit a single visit pattern, but if most of the legit coworker votes are coming from non CP people that would look the same.
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So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself?
Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote? 
I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways. Plus you could have a min characters allowed on the box.
Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has.
You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days.
As of my article being included in the contest, i really dont care if i win, so you can take it down if you want. Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest.
I write articles for the purpose of making people interested about programming. I could care less about money or prizes, this is just a hobby to me, where i can use my brain.
Anyways i got to get back to having fun now, making things.
Latez
KISS "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
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VectorX wrote: So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself?
Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
You see the issue.
So what's the solution?
VectorX wrote: Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives
Easily manipulated by spiders.
VectorX wrote: I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways
Actually they would and they do. You'd be surprised  (actually, you probably wouldn't!)
VectorX wrote: You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips.
A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes.
Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris I feel your pain, but VectorX makes 2 great suggestions such as
Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has.
You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days.
I am pretty sure my votes from work all look like they are coming through 1 IP Address.
What a nightmare man....I say the only fair way is for codeproject to fly me out to India and challenge this dude to a code off and if that doesnt work, we can have a drinking competition and if that doesnt work a big old dust up should cover it, what do you say Chris, cant say fairer than this.
For me I am just sick and tired of voting games, makes me quite angry actually, I was considering throwing in the old codeproject towel, but Pete O'Hanlon convinced me otherwise, so I will try and not let this sort of thing wranckle my otherwise excellent prestine feathers.
All the best Chris
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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Sacha Barber wrote: I say the only fair way is for codeproject to fly me out to India and challenge this dude to a code off
You're kidding, right? Bangladesh is a separate country and is not part of India. 
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Oops sorry did not look at that for long enough, yeah my geography is totally not up to par.
Sorry.
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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Chris Maunder wrote: Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
Can I have a prize?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text
Ain't that Groovy?
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<thinks about it...>
No.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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